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Skullsessions

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2009, 05:20:32 pm »

I don't mean to quibble...but if you no longer work there, your employment has been terminated.

I didn't mean to assume you got fired.

I do think it's important for anyone who works for a living and has an employer-based group plan to understand what the employer is paying.

If you worked an average of 160 hrs in a month, that $1300 was just like your employer paid you an additional $8.13 an hour - untaxed.  Plus the $500 you paid was untaxed.

There has been talk in congress of taxing that money.  They'd tax your employer on the money (as income) before he gave it to you.  Then, they'd tax you on the money as income.

Obama says he's not going to do that....but do you believe him?  I don't.

I ask you...people who employ others.  Are you ready for a MANDATE that you provide that for your employees?  Studio owners...are you ready for that?  Won't that effect your pricing?  Won't that effect the number of people you can employ?

I would hazard a quess that a very large percentage of studios don't provide help for health insurance.

People...get ready...change is coming.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2009, 12:40:33 pm »

Skullsessions wrote on Sat, 01 August 2009 17:20

I don't mean to quibble...but if you no longer work there, your employment has been terminated.

I didn't mean to assume you got fired.


yes, I terminated it, which under law means I'm not entitled to any sort of  unemployment benefits.

if there was a law passed saying you can quit your job and get benefits for it, please show me the legal language so i can follow through.

Skullsessions wrote on Sat, 01 August 2009 17:20

I do think it's important for anyone who works for a living and has an employer-based group plan to understand what the employer is paying.


absolutely

Skullsessions wrote on Sat, 01 August 2009 17:20

If you worked an average of 160 hrs in a month, that $1300 was just like your employer paid you an additional $8.13 an hour - untaxed.  Plus the $500 you paid was untaxed.


sort of, since i barely used it and did not know what they put in, it was more like it got given away to someone else. i certainly did not use over $15,000 on medical expenses (which is what they paid (roughly) for the year.

The employer spent 15k on something that doesn't get used unless you need it. To me, that is unacceptable. nevermind what i paid as well. costs are just too much and must go down. like i said, whoever gets that done while maintaining quality, and getting everyone covered will be a hero. no one really cares how as long as it works.

Skullsessions wrote on Sat, 01 August 2009 17:20

There has been talk in congress of taxing that money.  They'd tax your employer on the money (as income) before he gave it to you.  Then, they'd tax you on the money as income.

Obama says he's not going to do that....but do you believe him?  I don't.


a better question might be, which politician is it that YOU are believing?


Skullsessions wrote on Sat, 01 August 2009 17:20

I ask you...people who employ others.  Are you ready for a MANDATE that you provide that for your employees?  Studio owners...are you ready for that?  Won't that effect your pricing?  Won't that effect the number of people you can employ?


i am by no means a know it all on studio employment, but in my experience the vast majority of people there are 1099'd and not really  an employee.

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2009, 07:51:13 pm »

A good column on the subject from a Canadian author:


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rachlis3-2009aug03 ,0,538126.story


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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2009, 03:01:46 pm »

Who's behind the "Grass roots" groups rallying against reform?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl91YF1d3Kg


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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2009, 03:17:18 pm »

Berolzheimer wrote on Mon, 03 August 2009 19:51

A good column on the subject from a Canadian author:


 http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rachlis3-2009aug03 ,0,538126.story




Very interesting.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2009, 05:18:09 pm »

A lot more balanced than what we see coming from a lot of US "news".

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2009, 06:45:17 pm »

I'm not sure I'd ever call an opinion piece "blanced" OR "news".
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2009, 08:05:51 pm »

Skullsessions wrote on Fri, 07 August 2009 15:45

I'm not sure I'd ever call an opinion piece "blanced" OR "news".


Can't someone have a balanced opinion?

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2009, 01:06:34 pm »

Is this what we want?: http://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_ove rview_obama_072909.pdf

Real-time access to my financial information?  Account numbers for electronic transfer to the government?  Be afraid.  Be very afraid.

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2009, 02:40:15 pm »

JDNelson wrote on Sun, 09 August 2009 10:06

Is this what we want?:  http://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_ove rview_obama_072909.pdf

Real-time access to my financial information?  Account numbers for electronic transfer to the government?  Be afraid.  Be very afraid.


You might notice on that piece of propoganda that there are no actual quotes from the actual legislation.

You should take more care who you get your "information" from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-locorl-mike-th omas-gay-adoption080209aug02,0,1068230.column

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/groups/liberty-counse l

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2009, 02:57:12 pm »

Berolzheimer wrote on Sun, 09 August 2009 19:40

JDNelson wrote on Sun, 09 August 2009 10:06

Is this what we want?:   http://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_ove rview_obama_072909.pdf

Real-time access to my financial information?  Account numbers for electronic transfer to the government?  Be afraid.  Be very afraid.


You might notice on that piece of propoganda that there are no actual quotes from the actual legislation.


A brief comparison of the actual legislation with their interpretation of it (just the first few points) and I'd have to say they appear to be presenting things as fact which are a real stretch of conjecture and assumption.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2009, 08:01:31 pm »

JDNelson wrote on Sun, 09 August 2009 10:06

Is this what we want?:  http://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_ove rview_obama_072909.pdf

Real-time access to my financial information?  Account numbers for electronic transfer to the government?  Be afraid.  Be very afraid.


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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2009, 12:52:42 pm »

"Reviewed, revised and adapted on July 29, 2009, by Liberty Counsel from the original authored by Peter Fleckenstein and posted on FreeRepublic.com and his blog, http://blog.flecksoflife.com."

so it's somebody's interpretation of a blog.  EXCELLENT source.

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2009, 01:06:58 pm »

You guys are missing the point.  You're focusing on the messenger and ignoring the message.  My post is not about the Liberty.edu group.  This (House bill) is not about health care... it's about power, Chucko.  

See here for another POV on the depth of emotions on this issue.  This is from WSJ... maybe you consider them a subversive right wing publication, I dunno:   http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124993227709320287.html#arti cleTabs%3Dcomments

Do you want to --have to carry-- a National Health Care ID card?  That's right there in the bill, look it up. it's very clear, no embellishment required.  

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2009, 01:45:17 pm »

JDNelson wrote on Tue, 11 August 2009 10:06



Do you want to --have to carry-- a National Health Care ID card?  That's right there in the bill, look it up. it's very clear, no embellishment required.  
I already carry a Kaiser health care ID and a Social Security card.  What's the difference?
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