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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #120 on: September 08, 2009, 10:13:40 pm »

Bill_Urick wrote on Tue, 08 September 2009 20:08

Just for what it's worth, probably not much.
I've discussed this issue with two of my customers.

The first, a trauma surgeon at an Atlanta hospital.
I brought it up since it was on CNN while I was at his house.
Obviously, I was curious as to what he thought.

Today the second customer, a Haitian emigrant who grew up under the "Docs" started the conversation.

They both thought the government administering healthcare was a really bad idea.

The surgeon thought it would negatively impact the quality of care and the quality of people entering the field.

The gentleman from Haiti is just against anything that smacks of increased government control of our lives or any form of socialism. FWIW, he has always been well informed and thoughtful in his opinions. And very vocal about being politically conservative.

Having lived under an oppressive regime he is very appreciative of the freedoms and opportunities available in the US.

I don't think his opinions are racially motivated.

Personally while I feel there are problems that need to be addressed in our healthcare system, nationalization will create more problems than it solves.

But that is the trend, and it will happen eventually.

Perhaps we can just put it off a while longer.


Bill, I can understand where your 2 friends are coming from and both have valid points.

But, I believe we are talking about a bill that creates a public option, which in turn creates a more competitive market place where health care costs and administration are concerned. Yes, the idea is to provide universal coverage, but no where in the bill does it talk about government control over the actual care and service's. Doctors will not be government employees and hospitals not be government shops. They will only be dealing with a new insurance provider with a very large group to provide for with buying power. Private insurance providers will then have to become more competitive with coverage. I believe this competition could straiten out a lot of what's wrong as a direct result of a new competitive market place, and we may even find some new private providers can do it better then the government.

If I have something wrong or missed something in the bill about  goverment control over the actual care, please let me know.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #121 on: September 09, 2009, 11:41:55 pm »

Very strong speech from Obama tonight. I'm happy to see him back in campaign mode.

And I was very happy to hear him use the word "lie" to describe the death panel bullshit.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #122 on: September 10, 2009, 10:40:21 am »

Drop the public option and add some tort reform.  DONE DEAL.  
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #123 on: September 10, 2009, 10:48:00 am »

Kris wrote on Thu, 10 September 2009 10:40

Drop the public option and add some tort reform.  DONE DEAL.  

The compromise offered is keep the public option and add tort reform.

The Republicans can participate in the process or get the hell out of the way.

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #124 on: September 10, 2009, 11:20:48 am »

Understood... just doesn't seem like the 'American' way to me.  This country is not like any other.  We are unique.  My opinion is my own and is completely unrelated to 'Republicans'.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #125 on: September 10, 2009, 04:46:39 pm »

Kris wrote on Thu, 10 September 2009 11:20

Understood... just doesn't seem like the 'American' way to me.  This country is not like any other.  We are unique.  My opinion is my own and is completely unrelated to 'Republicans'.

It's very American. If they want to participate in the process, great. That's as it should be. They are a voice that deserves to be heard. But they lost the election. So if all they want to do is stand in the corner yelling no! no! no! no! no!, then screw 'em. If they are acting on the political calculation they are going to kill any real reform because it will hurt Obama and help them, then screw 'em.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #126 on: September 11, 2009, 02:06:02 am »

American politics are almost embarrassing to watch. I thought Obama gave a truly great speech and then some duffus goon from the republican side of the hall yells "Liar Liar pants on fire". The dumbing down of America is almost complete. And then the media all wants to interview the goon. Who cares what the stupid f--- says? He's obviously a moron or he wouldn't be trying to shout down the President during a speech.
It was like a scene from the movie "Idiocracy". Great flick BTW. Funny as hell but a little too close to reality for comfort.
Anyway, we've had public health care here in Canada for a long long time, and you guys should be so lucky.......
I went to an emergency room once in Texas when I was there and for 15 minutes to get a prescription and the bill was like $1200.  Just think if you got really sick.......


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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #127 on: September 11, 2009, 02:52:22 am »

Idiocracy, yes, great stuff.  And yes, uncomfortably close to reality.

To quote my friend Ronny Crawford, from his FB page:

"How about health care by how you vote? Dem's get single payer. Repubs get private health care. If you don't vote you don't get either!"

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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #128 on: September 11, 2009, 07:37:14 am »

There is no way anyone went to an emergency room in Texas and waited only 15 minutes.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #129 on: September 11, 2009, 07:43:08 am »

Berolzheimer wrote on Fri, 11 September 2009 01:52

Idiocracy, yes, great stuff.  And yes, uncomfortably close to reality.

To quote my friend Ronny Crawford, from his FB page:

"How about health care by how you vote? Dem's get single payer. Repubs get private health care. If you don't vote you don't get either!"




Have fun with that....taxing all of those democrat-voter-run businesses.

Now...back to my "bate-in'".....  I'm BATEIN'!!
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #130 on: September 11, 2009, 08:22:06 am »

PRobb wrote on Thu, 10 September 2009 16:46

Kris wrote on Thu, 10 September 2009 11:20

Understood... just doesn't seem like the 'American' way to me.  This country is not like any other.  We are unique.  My opinion is my own and is completely unrelated to 'Republicans'.

It's very American. If they want to participate in the process, great. That's as it should be. They are a voice that deserves to be heard. But they lost the election. So if all they want to do is stand in the corner yelling no! no! no! no! no!, then screw 'em. If they are acting on the political calculation they are going to kill any real reform because it will hurt Obama and help them, then screw 'em.


Sorry, I wasn't more clear.

I was referring to the insistence of the 'public option' as not seeming to be aligned IMO with the 'American' way.  

p.s. Believing that the gov't should NOT be in the Health Insurance business has NOTHING to do with being or not being a Republican.
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Re: Healthcare Reform Obstructionist 6
« Reply #131 on: September 11, 2009, 12:24:38 pm »

Skullsessions wrote on Fri, 11 September 2009 04:37

There is no way anyone went to an emergency room in Texas and waited only 15 minutes.

I was wondering why there was almost nobody there. no-one could afford it.
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