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acupunk

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Electric guitar mics
« on: July 11, 2004, 01:33:14 pm »

I have read many threads on this topic. Electric guitar mics for cabinets.R121's, R84's Etc.
I have never been satisfied with a 57.
What is the latest suggestions for a mic for this purpose?
I am recording a Bogner Shiva combo at pretty low volumes.
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2004, 02:28:01 pm »

Ive been using a Royer 121 lately.... it's like all others are inferior... they sound great...

Ive not tried the R84 however...
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2004, 07:47:53 pm »

Hi,
Being a guitar player not happy with 57, i will suggest following,

The royer 121 is very good-agreed.
But don't forget:
Sennheiser MD-421-never bad on a good sounding amp.
Beyer m-160- also good
Coles 4038 ribbons, it's figure of eight so it has that cool room color.
MD 441 is also nice sometimes.

Theres plenty of mics that could be cool on guitar, it's to a degree just about wich color youre after. Most of these mics have a pretty "smooth" sound.  And they all have some kind of mid-range peak and mostly dips a bit to somewhere else in the midrange, as do the sm57, its just in different places, and thus might be good depending on the exact application.

High level amps tend to be very snappy and responsive, dynamic, and detailed so smoother sounding less detailed mics might be ion order as above.

But, for low SPL amp operation a condenser might be nice, bringing out more of whats there, but lots of amps are relatively noisy on low levels, and a condenser won't make that less apparent...

AKG C535 is a pretty cheap condenser, unlikely choice, but for some reason is really nice on twins, or similar amps.

U 87s can be nice on a low level amp, but needs a few inches of distance.  
tough the last time i recorded a very low level amp, i was a micstand short, and so i just hung the 87 by the cable over the tilted twin, worked very nicely.  

On VOX ac30 kind of amps, some tube condensers can be killer. But it depends a bit on what kind of role you want the guitar to play in the mix.

also of course, at least one room mic, wich might be very different characterwise than the main mic, might bring a lot of life to your guitar track.

These days i'm really into a combo of beyer m-160 as main and the dynamic omni Sennheiser MD-21 as room.

Hope this is helpful-
-bora
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2004, 02:49:38 am »

414 TL's aren't bad on some cab's also...

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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2004, 08:14:25 am »

A big secret:Try the Oktava ML52 ribbon mic. A/B this with an sm57, and you see what I meen.

Let me hear from you when you have tried this one. I'm not kidding, this was an eye-opener.
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2004, 09:10:47 am »

A Coles 4040 and/or 4038 is often a good choice... a couple of the Microtech Gefell mics work rather nicely too... like the M-295 and the M-930.  They're rapidly becomeing some of my favorite mics.
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2004, 05:47:01 pm »

In addition to those listed by others, I've had good luck
with Beyer Dymanics M201.
It is similar to a SM57, but with
a little bit more.

Sell for about $200 each.

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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2004, 12:32:30 am »

Here's an odd one:

I love the sound of a C1000 on guitar amps. It's about all I use these things for anymore.
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2004, 12:48:23 am »

How many mics do you guys usually use on an amp? I saw a picture of a Ross Hogarth set-up http://www.royerlabs.com/ross_hogarth/Guitar_rig_XLG.html and was a bit surprised at the number of mics.
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2004, 11:53:39 am »

I've always been an SM57/MD421 kinda guy. I've tried the C414/U87 and various other condenser mic options. I can honestly say that I've never been 100% happy with the electric guitar sound I was getting. I had the opportunity to use a couple of Royer R121's on the last session I did. Wow, all the things that I didn't like about my previous electric guitar tracks were gone. The Royers totally blew me away. I must say, I never used a ribbon on electrics before, so maybe it's just a ribbon thing rather than a Royer thing. But I can't see myself recording electrics with 57's anymore.
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2004, 02:20:40 am »

Royers seem the way to go. Does anyone have suggestion of a 121 vs a 122?
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2004, 02:27:05 am »

121s are passive - 122s are active. for guitars, specially loud guitars, i probably wouldn't spend the extra $. the 121s have a very slight difference in sound also, which you may or may not prefer.

the 122 being active, has more gain, making it useful as an all around mic.

i would suggest you listen before you buy.
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2004, 03:11:54 am »

PRobb wrote on Tue, 13 July 2004 06:48

How many mics do you guys usually use on an amp? I saw a picture of a Ross Hogarth set-up http://www.royerlabs.com/ross_hogarth/Guitar_rig_XLG.html and was a bit surprised at the number of mics.


I usually put two mic per cab for guitar tracks. Mi preferred combos are:

R121+57
MD421+M500
M500+545
R121+545

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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2004, 06:13:16 am »

For low volume amps my best results have been with an AKG Solidtube, believe it or not.  Also, I like the Oktava ML52, Sennheiser MD421, and also have been surprised how many times an AKG 414 BULS will do the job.  CAD M9 can be just the thing you need.
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Re: Electric guitar mics
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2004, 09:14:32 am »

Hu, yeah, with blues guitar (medium to low gain distortion):

AT4047+R121

The amp was a Fender Twin and a Peavey Classic 4x10".

Heavy guitars:

R121 (almost dead on speaker dome), 57 on its right side, as close as possible, MD421 on its left side, touching the R121.
Head was Engl Savage 120, Marshal 1960 cabinet with stock speakers.

On noise stuff:

R121+57 (touchin', same as above), amp was a Peavey Classic 50W, 2x12" (stock speakers)

On bright rock stuff:

M500+MD421

Amp was a Fender Deluxe 1x12". The worst guitar amplifier ever build.

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