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[Bill_Urick]

In my illustrious recording career, I've never used anything but 421's on Toms, (except for that one time) and have always been happy with them.

Which constitutes another strike against them, I suppose...

[hargerst]

I should point out that I still use (and obviously still like) 421's on floor toms.

[Andy Peters]

maarvold wrote on Sat, 28 March 2009 14:43

FWIW, the SM98s seem to have a tighter pattern than most condensers I've used--I get somewhat enhanced sense of panning as the guy goes around the drums, similar to a dynamic.

Did you get the little cone-shaped pattern adapters for the 91s? They turn the mics into supercardiods.

-a

[maarvold]

I did get the hypercardioid pattern adaptors, but I'm not talking about with them--haven't tried that yet.  That might be even better.  

[rankus]

hargerst wrote on Sat, 28 March 2009 15:23

I should point out that I still use (and obviously still like) 421's on floor toms.

Hi Harvey,  Yes we still have one 421 in the locker so it will likely see floor tom usage still.  It's just the expense of new 421's (rare as hens teeth used).  

I managed to find an ATM25 so we'll see if that stacks up against the 421 and if so then prolly grab a few more....

Speaking of which I'm wondering if Tom would be willing to sell me one of his?  You can't possibly need all 4 of them Tom... especially when you have a buddy willing to pay  more than original retail  

[tom eaton]

Since when was anything about need?

[rankus]

tom eaton wrote on Sun, 29 March 2009 17:43

Since when was anything about need?

Oh well can't fault me for trying   If your ever looking to make space in your locker remember me and my need  

[Fibes]

While i like what 421s sound like on most toms I can't stand the sound of the bleed, their off axis tone is horrible to my ears.

Lately whatever my SM2 isn't getting is augmented by AKG 418s and they really work for me 89% of the time.

[themagicmanmdt]

try a cascade fathead or one of those nady rsm-5's, off axis.

think outside of dynamics!

[rankus]

Update:  I picked up a couple of ATM25's and am digging them. As useful as 421's on toms IMO and just did a conga session where we used them and REALLY liked them in that application.

Thanks all for your input!  Greatly appreciated!

Next item: Find something that won't break the bank for snare drums.  Getting sick of the same old 57 sound!  (May try one of the 25's there tomorrow.)

[C.Cash]

PR40, I like it allot on snare.

[hargerst]

The Beyer M201 is killer on snare.

[Ryan Slowey]

rankus wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 14:53

Next item: Find something that won't break the bank for snare drums.  Getting sick of the same old 57 sound!  (May try one of the 25's there tomorrow.)

Have you tried Oliver's transformer? Since putting one in my 57, it's been getting used more.

But, for me, the ultimate snare mic is the Sennheiser 441.

[marcel]

Ryan Slowey wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 19:12

But, for me, the ultimate snare mic is the Sennheiser 441.

+1

And I love it on a lot of other things, too, guitar amps, some vocals, percussion.

Not exactly cheap, but I think it's one of my best investments, all-in-all.

But that's for another thread...  LOL

[Fibes]

themagicmanmdt wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 13:12

try a cascade fathead or one of those nady rsm-5's, off axis. think outside of dynamics!

FWIW a ribbon is a dynamic.