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[dcollins]

odysseys wrote on Wed, 30 June 2004 23:27

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PS. Bounce to disk sounds thin and unusable

Unusable?  How unusual.

Is it possible you are doing anything that makes it thin?

I think it can work.

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PSS. Newer versions (playing 5.0.1 files) reduce bottom end,mid clarity,sound stage and stereo spread.

Are you the same guy that says PTHD is down 6dB at 50Hz?

DC

[dcollins]

OTR-jkl wrote on Wed, 30 June 2004 09:05

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Actually, I was thinking "Surely not; surely not. A mouse or trackball can't possibly affect the sound... But with computer audio and all, you never know..."

I hope you have switched to oxygen-free copper for your
USB connections like the rest of us.  The difference in sound is truly indescribable.

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BTW, Brad - I just noticed your cool little scroll bar for your "Active Member" status.

That's enough of that dirty talk, you guys.

DC

[odysseys]

Level wrote on Thu, 01 July 2004 08:43

I really thought his post was 'what to send to the pressing plant'. I stand corrected due to the responses of how to manipulate it prior of this step.

re-read his post,mate.

[odysseys]

dcollins wrote on Thu, 01 July 2004 08:58

odysseys wrote on Wed, 30 June 2004 23:27 Quote: PS. Bounce to disk sounds thin and unusable Unusable?  How unusual. No,it's even visual Is it possible you are doing anything that makes it thin? I think it can work. I'll check the internal cables. Quote: PSS. Newer versions (playing 5.0.1 files) reduce bottom end,mid clarity,sound stage and stereo spread. Are you the same guy that says PTHD is down 6dB at 50Hz? DC hehe.No i'm the one that unplugged the guy's sub.

[OTR-jkl]

Copied this from my post on the Mouse vs. Trackball thread over on the "Whatever Works" forum:

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Somebody try this out and see if you get the same results: I was doing a little editing a few minutes ago and had the volume cranked to hear some stuff buried down in the noise floor. My (USB) mouse has a wheel and I was using the wheel to scroll the waveform back and forth (in Samplitude 7). As I rolled the wheel, I could hear a faint little ticking noise each time the cursor moved (by a sample). Not that it really matters any, just something I noticed...

Somebody here try it...


Guess it must be due to this:

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I hope you have switched to oxygen-free copper for your USB connections like the rest of us. The difference in sound is truly indescribable.

   

[Ross Hogarth]

bblackwood wrote on Wed, 30 June 2004 09:11

Hey Ross, what are you typically sending to mastering these days? What's your current method?

Hey Brad
I am an analog tape guy 99.9% of time for master print.
1/2" or 1" ...everything to date of importance .... except for one record in the 80's that the Dolby alignment screwed .... I don't use Dolby anymore since then ....once bit twice shy
I know this gonna sound very Yogi Berra (95% of baseball is half pitching or something like that)
but anyway
Most recently 50% of my clients are looking at budget and getting cheap  
...... hard pressed to spend money on tape when they know that the mix can be delivered as a file.
I am one who truly,in the past,has heard with my own(eyes) ears the diff between a real print out of the box to another device and the BTD in earlier Mix plus rigs.
Now with HD, dual processors, hopefully lower jitter and such I am still cautious of the voodoo.

[lucey]

Ross Hogarth wrote on Thu, 01 July 2004 12:53

Now with HD, dual processors, hopefully lower jitter and such I am still cautious of the voodoo.

As basically an analog-leftist I can still say for sure that there is no voodoo in digital ... there's just shitty digital, average digital and digital well done.

(It's also interesting how the digital folks see more voodoo in analog and vice versa.)



PTHD mixed in the box can sound good.  Those converters are almost musical.

[Fibes]

I'm far from a golden ear and don't use PT. In Digital Performer there is a difference, if i can hear it, it's there. OTOH there are a few reasons for it being different which don't exist in PT.

One thing I have always found different is how the time based plug ins aren't quite the same as printed mixes and the playback i'm used to. maybe it's the way the CPU "starts" the process or somewhere else in the chain but i've found I don't get any surprises printing through the aux to a new track internally.

Brad,

   I think Ross is looking for reinforcement of what he already hears from some MEs. We've had this conversation on the phone and I wonder: Do y'all ever see mixes on projects submitted both ways for your choosing? Would it be a worthy exercise?  

[PRobb]

Ross Hogarth wrote on Thu, 01 July 2004 13:53

bblackwood wrote on Wed, 30 June 2004 09:11 Hey Ross, what are you typically sending to mastering these days? I know this gonna sound very Yogi Berra (95% of baseball is half pitching or something like that)

It was "90% of this game is half mental" He is also responsible for "Nobody goes there anymore, its too crowded" and "When you come to the fork in the road, take it!" And now, back to our discussion.

[bblackwood]

Fibes wrote on Fri, 02 July 2004 14:57

Brad,    I think Ross is looking for reinforcement of what he already hears from some MEs. We've had this conversation on the phone and I wonder: Do y'all ever see mixes on projects submitted both ways for your choosing? Would it be a worthy exercise?

Yes, it does happen on occasion. Same with different versions of the track (vocup, gtrup, etc). I prefer it when the client tells me which one they prefer, but wil make the decision when asked. The real problem lies in getting masters on analog and dig - often time s they sound quite different and it's a purely subjective callas to which one sounds 'better'...