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j.hall

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Paramore
« on: February 03, 2009, 12:07:43 pm »

i got sick of clients commenting on the how awesome the latest Paramore record sounds without knowing what it sounds like myself.

i grabbed one of the singles off iTunes.  i don't get it.......it doesn't sound very good to me

am i missing something?

also, the new underoath (mixed by the same guy) sounds bad to me too.  seriously, i must be missing something, right?


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rankus

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Re: Paramore
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 02:40:12 pm »



LOL.  I have been on the Paramore band wagon for the last year or so ... I know what your saying.

I was mixing a Paramore soundalike band on the weekend and had a Para song on my iPod on one channel of the mixer, and my mix on the other, and was A/B-ing them.  At one point I was thinking "my gawd my mix sounds like crap compared to the Paramore song"  ...

THEN I realized I had the two sources mixed up in my head and it was the Paramore mix that I thought sounded poor... WOOT! (That was fun!)

I think people are digging Paramore more due to Haley Williams voice than anything tangible (Either that or the horrendous amounts of editing on there!)


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Re: Paramore
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 02:41:10 pm »

David Bendeth does aggressive pop pretty well.
It's not my favorite sound, but it doesn't suck.
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Re: Paramore
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 02:51:55 pm »

not saying the guy sucks, i just don't get the hype.

A/B underoath's "define the great line" (mixed by CLA) against "lost in the sound....." (mixed by david bendeth)

it's night and day to me.

one sounds open and aggressive, the other sounds choked and cloudy.

i'm not sure i can agree about aggressive pop.  the little i've heard of his work, he mixes guitars back.....that's generally counter-productive to "aggressive pop"


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Re: Paramore
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 03:24:52 pm »

It's probably a combo of the songs and her voice.

And that ridiculous snare, that somehow makes me want to air drum along to it. Embarassing, I know...
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Re: Paramore
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 03:36:43 pm »

Adam Miller wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 15:24



And that ridiculous snare



"Ridiculous" is an understatement. When did the snare drum become the most important part of a mix? Jesus it's loud.
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Re: Paramore
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 05:23:42 pm »

i'm not sure, but current pop and rock production, the snare is right there with the lead vocal.


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Re: Paramore
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 05:42:50 pm »



Adam Miller wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 12:24


And that ridiculous snare,


I was going to mention that too...  Look for a better sample David. He also has her vocal tucked in a bit much for my tastes (on the first album anyway)


J Hall wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 12:24


i'm not sure, but current pop and rock production, the snare is right there with the lead vocal.


For sure!  

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Re: Paramore
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2009, 06:29:43 pm »

j.hall wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 22:23

i'm not sure, but current pop and rock production, the snare is right there with the lead vocal.





Yeah, but this one is just a brazen 2-fingered salute to any pretense of taste and restraint, and for that reason alone makes me grin in a childish way every time I hear it  Very Happy
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Re: Paramore
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 12:28:09 am »


j.hall wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 11:51

not saying the guy sucks, i just don't get the hype.

A/B underoath's "define the great line" (mixed by CLA) against "lost in the sound....." (mixed by david bendeth)

it's night and day to me.

one sounds open and aggressive, the other sounds choked and cloudy.

i'm not sure i can agree about aggressive pop.  the little i've heard of his work, he mixes guitars back.....that's generally counter-productive to "aggressive pop"





i couldn't agree more... i actually got flamed by bendeth himself on another forum for saying that.  

i think his mixes are pretty synthetic and average.. nothing worth paying that kind of money for.

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Re: Paramore
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 09:57:04 am »

beau wrote on Wed, 04 February 2009 00:28


j.hall wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 11:51

not saying the guy sucks, i just don't get the hype.

A/B underoath's "define the great line" (mixed by CLA) against "lost in the sound....." (mixed by david bendeth)

it's night and day to me.

one sounds open and aggressive, the other sounds choked and cloudy.

i'm not sure i can agree about aggressive pop.  the little i've heard of his work, he mixes guitars back.....that's generally counter-productive to "aggressive pop"





i couldn't agree more...

i think his mixes are pretty synthetic and average.. nothing worth paying that kind of money for.

peace

beau


+1. I typed a response, but this sums it up more susinctly.
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Re: Paramore
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2009, 10:02:37 am »

most guys mixing at this level use snare samples with much more grace.  that paramore record has that "0% dynamic tracking" sound.  

then again, i can't say that the vast majority of consumers give a crap.  it's just interesting that he's the "mixer/producer du jour"
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Re: Paramore
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 07:45:58 pm »

Sorry but I think your missing the boat on this one.

Its perfectly designed pop. Its not my personal preference in music, but its a record that is already defining what many younger bands want in their mixes.

Yes the snares ridiculous and there is a huge amount of editing, but it all adds up to something that is so right for this particular genre.

I love vibey, band in a room sounding records, but this is pop music and when has reality played any major role?
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Re: Paramore
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 09:36:24 am »

I always thought Riot! sounded like garbage...
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Re: Paramore
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2009, 10:22:31 am »

Jonah A. Kort wrote on Thu, 05 February 2009 14:36

I always thought Riot! sounded like garbage...


Chuck up a link to some of your work then...
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