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Rod Affleck

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Re: Large diaphragm condensers
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 12:44:09 pm »

So if I mix to tape, I need my mic colours to be CMYK, right? But if I'm mixing ITB, can I get away with just RGB mics?
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compasspnt

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Re: Large diaphragm condensers
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2009, 03:28:31 pm »

It's actually the other way 'round, but yes.
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Larry Villella

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Re: Large diaphragm condensers
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2009, 01:49:20 pm »

ALL U-87 recording was precisely the way I learned to record.

In fact, the first album I co-engineered was ABC Impulse
"Hues" - Sam Rivers, Jr. Trio live at the Jazz Workshop

Eight U-87 tracked piano, sax, bass and drums.

In listening to this 1971 record today, I sure wish
we'd had a U-67 or U-47 for Sax. (So it goes. . . .)

I'm of the opinion that Mic Technique is as important
as Mic Selection in getting good results. But having
a monochromatic mic locker isn't an ideal situation!


As far as other engineers having more skill than I do,
I freely admit I'm happier being in the tracking room
playing music, rather than in the control room tracking!
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Tom D

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Re: Large diaphragm condensers
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2009, 03:34:42 pm »

I don't believe I've purchased any mics that weren't in pairs in the last 10 years!  Regardless of type or brand, Always in pairs!    Besides, if you don't really NEED the first one, you might as well have a pair you don't need!

Tom Durso
First Bass Audio
Macomb, IL
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Bill_Urick

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Re: Large diaphragm condensers
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2009, 05:58:53 pm »

Pairs are OK.
I prefer Three of a Kind.
Better yet a full house, KM86's over U87's.
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Re: Large diaphragm condensers
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2009, 08:27:56 pm »

As much as I love to make fun of the "colour" and "flavour" and "palette" syndrome, it is indeed a more important thing to have various choices of microphones than of preamplifiers.
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Re: Large diaphragm condensers
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2009, 12:31:32 am »

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 12 August 2009 19:27

As much as I love to make fun of the "colour" and "flavour" and "palette" syndrome, it is indeed a more important thing to have various choices of microphones than of preamplifiers.

Ahhh, another voice of reason.

And, as I've said many times:

"Mic placement is often more important than mic selection".
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Tim Boyce

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Re: Large diaphragm condensers
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2009, 07:49:23 pm »

Look at CAD M-179's .. Anything made before 2007 was still USA made.

They fit in your price with shockmounts, are build like tanks (heavy hefty and hot) take high SPL, and are variable pattern. (rotary, not switchable, so everything in-between fig8 - omni)

The good ++

  + patterns let you do M/S ORFT, etc .. and 'allow' ambience in as needed. (great room, lucky you, not so great room, dial it away)

  + I would use them on tour, in a backpack, on the subway, anywhere, easy to dismantle and fairly consistent sound. (as far as the price range goes)  


The Bad --

   - Not sure if they come in officially 'matched pairs' but you could have a third party test them if it was critical.

   - big cases
   
   - I would test the positions of the dial, it could be possible there are slight variations in response even if the dial is in the same spot. (with the exception at the end of it's travel, ie: fig8 and Omni)


The sound Wink

    Where it really matters, I most often hear them on things like Toms and Guitar, they would be 'ok' on harp, but nowhere close to an Earthworks .. I wouldn't use them for flute or shakers. They feel dark but but are not low-endy. And actually might sit very well in a mix made with other (bright) cheap mics.  

Try out a pair, I'm sure Warren Dent at Zen Pro Audio or anyone you have local would let you try a couple for a week, or even help you in matching them.

Goodluck!
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