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KAyo

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Re: Universal Audio + Manley >>Plug-in partners
« Reply #75 on: March 26, 2009, 05:26:18 AM »

Interesting you say that!
I wonder how close or more accurate would the UAD4k SSL4000 plug would be? As per their email to me today, it seems they are the bees of all things SSL emulation etc...

Only wish, it were in time for your review. It would have been a review I'd be interesting reading.

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Re: Universal Audio + Manley >>Plug-in partners
« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2009, 10:51:48 AM »

Around ten years ago I was on a screening committee that reviewed entries for the recording engineering Grammy. That year there were around ten CDs that really stood out from the crowd and one that towered above all of them. A lot of jaws hit the floor when we learned it was the only one of the ten that had been recorded in Pro Tools and mixed in the box using no analog processing of any kind.

There's no getting around the fact that todays DAWs and plug-ins sound a lot better than anything you could do in Pro Tools ten years ago. For me, I can find the right settings a lot faster using analog gear without getting bogged down in minutia. That does make a significant difference.

A real eye/ear-opener was using WAVES Q-Clone with my trusty API equalizers. Comparing, the Q-Clone sounded a little less edgy and more transparent than the hardware. Their API plug-in sounded ever so slightly too edgy but still amazingly close. The transformers in the hardware did spread the image out a bit which is a pleasing effect but there was certainly not any night and day difference.

My conclusion is that a whole lot of this stuff is probably more about human interface than about audio. I'm not even thinking about abandoning hardware but if a plug-in included a hardware interface for what it was emulating, I think it would probably be well worth checking out.

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Re: Universal Audio + Manley >>Plug-in partners
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2009, 06:55:17 PM »

Hmm.. interesting Bob. This Q-clone is a little beaut for many, I sense.

I've had the Waves Q-clone for years, but never cloned a thing though.
Many a times I’ve read, as engineers run out of their favourite Compressor or EQ, they clone the tone or effect to make more available etc.. [Cloning the comp? that would be a static setting then wouldn’t it?]

Anyway, I’ve got the NEVE Masterpiece II, I may clone the parametric EQ… let’s see how that goes.

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Re: Universal Audio + Manley >>Plug-in partners
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2009, 06:18:51 PM »

i have some special clones done elsewhere... the all-pass filters are the most interesting
for me. adds a linear color that shifts the balance more than alters it...
usually in the direction of undoing some unfortunate damage
to the music, which is a long and arduous and expensive
proposition. i prefer clients who are already happy
with their mixes, and just need... um, mastering!


q-clone is 24 bit however, so perhaps there are cases where one
ought to dither their signal before processing with q-clone?
(since i started upsampling, i have a 32 bit or higher
signal going into every plug-in...)

overall:

convolution cannot replicate a device, i don't get  
carried away with the idea that it ever could.

but with certain vintage amplifiers, the dynamics would not be appropriate for modern
work; yet  these transfer functions can add something else that can be
"highly evocative"... if it is not -all- one is relying on to
help the overall vibe. or bring out details, or..[ugh]
to "glue" things together that are somehow not.

jeff dinces
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