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[Alécio Costa - Brazil]

January 15th, 2009

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/01/15/wnamm09-manley-har dware-as-plug-ins/

[mastertone]

To quote Dave Collins : The end is near...

[crna59]

Wonder what will ever become of that graphic they used on GearSlutz where it says "Manley + Plugin = Tube inserted into socket!"


Regards,

[Andy Krehm]

If they could emulate my Manley Vari-Mu with the T-Bar and Side Chain mod, they'd really have something!

Unfortunately for UA, I've had 3 Manley Vari-Mu loaners over the last 8 years and NONE of them came close so good luck with a plug-in. IOW, the end isn't close, at least for this particular compressor !

Perhaps they'll have better luck with the Massive Passive?

[TotalSonic]

copying a face plate for a gui = pathetically easy
modelling in the spectral domain = takes some effort, but doable
modelling in the time domain = ridiculously hard

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[compasspnt]

Matt Ward added, "...Manley's endorsement and acceptance of the legitimacy of Universal Audio's digital emulations as viable alternatives to glass and iron is a step into the future."

"Lead me towards the past, please," said the baby bear...

[Peter Beckmann]

I mastered an interesting album of avant garde improvised electronica on Sunday, and my Manley Massive featured heavily in the processing.

I just don't think you can get that same vibe in software emulation, and equally importantly, you can't just reach out and to quote Tom Coyne " turn the knobs 'till it sounds good"

I am surprised at the move to be honest. Its a bit of a 180 degree turnaround from Manley isn't it?

Peter

[Alécio Costa - Brazil]

Who buys fancy, expensive analog gear nowadays??
Mes, some sluts, top mixing guys.

While Behringer sells 10000 ADA8000s, M-Audio sells 20000 Delta1010s, how many Manley, Pendulum, Crane units are sold?

[compasspnt]

Plenty of them.

For instance, we can't make the Lucas gear fast enough.

[rankus]

Looks like UAD is partnering with Antares for a new version of Auto-Tune as well... Interesting times:

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/01/15/wnamm09-autotune-f or-uad/

For those of us with shallow pockets the UAD/Manley stuff will be great!  Cant wait.

[KAyo]

I sense a bit of apprehension here, at what UAD’s trying to achieve.
Really, it was inevitable, wasn’t it?!

We all know UAD does a great job at their emmulation..  and they’ve obviously been perfecting their technique overtime, and with that sense of bravado, UAD’s out to emmulate all the coverted hardware units one would desire. Especially, hardware that costs a bucket of cash and in great demand. A’la Manley…!

After the team up with NEVE, SPL and Harrison, I knew, it wouldn’t be long before they caught up with Manley too.
Frankly, I am keen.. the emmulations are never a 100% accurate, but very close to their hardware equivalents from my own experience and as per reports from many other well respected and experienced producers/ engineers within the audio fraternity.
So, it’s another step into unravelling what the future of audio is bound to look like.. Saying that, I believe.. there will always be that special place for the actual hardware units .. only time will tell.

Ciao’
Kayo

[TotalSonic]

KAyo wrote on Tue, 20 January 2009 03:14

I sense a bit of apprehension here, at what UAD’s trying to achieve. Really, it was inevitable, wasn’t it?! We all know UAD does a great job at their emmulation..

Dunno - I own a UAD-1 and think that UA's just does an ok job at emulation.  Frankly I find myself hardly ever using it these days.  obviously ommv.

As far as Manley authorizing plugins - obviously there's money to be made for them in this with barely any effort required on their parts.  Considering the economic outlook of the next year or two it makes perfect sense for them to look for more guaranteed income from sources such as this at this point.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[Glenn Bucci]

I think with the Recession, EveAnna Manley has seen (as every company has) sales being down, and she has decided to jump into the home/project studio market as SSL has with their Waves SSL and their own plug ins.

At the mastering stage, when you run your 2 bus mix through your converters, the gain stages that the hardware has, it does not lay an effect on top of your signal like the plug ins, but on the signal directly. So the hardware does sound better, but the plugs may get 85-90% there. However if Manley gets 3,000 people to buy the UAD Manley plug ins, the extra revenue the company will get will be most welcomed, especially since they don't have to incur R&D for the plug ins.

[bblackwood]

Glenn Bucci wrote on Tue, 20 January 2009 07:04

At the mastering stage, when you run your 2 bus mix through your converters, the gain stages that the hardware has, it does not lay an effect on top of your signal like the plug ins, but on the signal directly.

Err, are you suggesting these plugs utilize parallel processing? What makes you assume it's an additive process?

[Glenn Bucci]

bblackwood wrote on Tue, 20 January 2009 08:19

Glenn Bucci wrote on Tue, 20 January 2009 07:04 At the mastering stage, when you run your 2 bus mix through your converters, the gain stages that the hardware has, it does not lay an effect on top of your signal like the plug ins, but on the signal directly. Err, are you suggesting these plugs utilize parallel processing? What makes you assume it's an additive process?

What I meant was when I run a 2 bus mix through hardware gear, it sounds like it's part of the original signal. Through A/B when I compared plug ins vrs hardware, I noticed with every plug in I have heard that it "sounds" like the plug in is on top of the signal, while the hardware sounds like it's part of the original signal. My theory on the difference between plug in and hardware like the UAD 1176 and real 1176 are the following:
1. Your converters that you run your 2 bus signal through adds something to the sound.
2. The signal running through hardware transformers and electronics adds a little something that the plug in lacks.
3. The modeling is not 100% yet, but perhaps 85-90%.