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trock

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Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« on: January 14, 2009, 10:21:53 pm »

Mic maker Ben Sneesby. BeesNeez mics

the thread is sort of convoluted with his James and Jade series mics

this one is the "Arabella"

1350.00 US

He is putting it up against an original in great shape U47 and a wunder in the studio soon.

Ben is around here and can speak to this mic himself. but here is a quote about it from him



Hi Guys, The mic will be named after my 3 year old daughter "The Arabella".

I had no plans in building this style of microphone but after many requests, i have decided to make it part of the lineup. I will be posting some pics this week.

The Arabella will have a Telefunken EF12 (just like the Wagner u47w and the Wunder CM7), a K47 Capsule and a Cinemag 2461NICO Transformer (same as the BV8).

I am not designing this mic to be a 47 clone. It will share a common heritage as far as components go but it will have the added feature mutiple patterns, pad and a sibilance roll off switch.

The Arabella will be priced at $1350USD, a far cry from the 7 - 8k being asked for other microphones using these same components!

As always, i guarantee it will stand proud amongst any of the clones, if not you can have your money back!!.

Cheers
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if you go here to post #138 there is a pic of the insides

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-product-alert/339789-bees neez-studio-series-jade-5.html


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a little info on the diff between it and a pearlman TM-1

differences and similarity to the Pearlman TM1.

The Arabella Uses the same Tube and Capsule as the TM1 but that is the only similarity.

The Arabella has a different circuit allowing for 9 polar patterns, 10db pad and a sibilance roll off (the pearlman has a roll off similar to this though the Arabella's is not as agressive, it's a personal preference thing). The Arabella is also housed in a much smaller body as i am not a huge fan of huge mics (again a personal thing).

The other Major difference between the two is the Arabella has a Cinemag 2461NICO Output transformer (huge in size and in sound)....(+24db huge) and i also use amazing NOS German Capacitors.

I do want to say that dave is a great friend of mine, I am not trying to steal his thunder, the Pearlman is a great mic, i wasn't actually planning to build a mic with the EF12 but alas, i have fallen to the pressure and decided what the hell.

The Arabella may at times have a waiting period as the tubes are getting rare and harder to find.

I haven't built this mic as a clone, it has many other modern features thus increasing it's usability.

Let me know what you think of the guts.....

cheer
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and last but not least, putting his money where his mouth is

I Just got off the phone with Phil Punch at Electric Avenue Studios, will be up against his U47 and his Wagner U47W which incidently is an early one with an original kk47 neumann capsule.

Can't wait.

I will hopefully be able to secure a female vocalist as well as myself and some accoustic guitar. It should do for starters.


I just like this guys story
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Barry Hufker

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 11:48:22 am »

I'm sorry if I'm a bit dense but I don't understand your post.  Are you telling us about the mic or about some sort of shoot-out or...

Sorry!

Barry
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 11:53:59 am »

see Barry, I was so consumed with trying to make it clear i confused everyone, and myself after re reading what all i posted

i was trying to only post about a new mic, that with its price i thought should be in this section, that was going to be tested against an original U47 and a wunder


hmmmm

so i guess it comes across as both

but my intention was to introduce an interesting new mic at a certain price point

i think i am confusing this again

i have a tendency to do this, so to sum up clearly

"Here is a new mic"!
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 11:57:38 am »

Sorry to make you go through that explanation Tim.

Thanks for tipping us off to a new mic!

Barry


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trock

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 12:21:26 pm »

you got it Smile

have to work on my stream of conscious typing skills though
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 11:09:27 pm »

 k47 clone = $150
ef14 tube = $150
cinemag 2461 xfrm = $100
mic body = 100 ?
power supply = 100 ?
shock mount  = 50 ?

I dont see how a shoot out will even come close to a good U47

or are all vintage neumann owners chumps .
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 08:13:08 am »

gevermil wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 14:09

 k47 clone = $150
ef14 tube = $150
cinemag 2461 xfrm = $100
mic body = 100 ?
power supply = 100 ?
shock mount  = 50 ?

I dont see how a shoot out will even come close to a good U47

or are all vintage neumann owners chumps .



Just to let you know, i hand make each Capsule, they are not a $150 clone capsule, there is also much more to a mic than just the parts you have listed.  

the proof is in the pudding, you'll be able to listen to some samples that will posted after next weeks sessions against a perfect U47 and a U47w

cheers

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 11:03:03 am »

hey if it sounds good .
Im not trying to be rude .
Id like to hear one of your capsules . If pearlman switched to yours there must be a good reason .

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 10:21:43 pm »

After looking at your microphones , I am curios now .
I think its exciting to have manufactures like you and pearlman
making affordable products that have some magic like the old Mics ,
with the new thiersch M7 , Dale Ulan M7 and your K47 , and MBHO capsules ,  there seems to be hope .
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2009, 11:04:44 pm »

I like that Ben posts pics of the insides right up front and gives a life time guarantee

and is very accessible

if he is good enough to have worked on the pearlman mics i would say these, especially at this price point, are really worth a look

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2009, 05:30:58 am »

Having followed these threads and similar on GS Im pretty damn interested in these mics.

Ben,

Whats the damage for shipping to the UK? Have you had any orders from there yet.

Cheers, Looking forward to the shootout.
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2009, 06:25:03 am »

hi andy, i have shipped 7 mics to the UK so far.

Shipping including insurance is 130usd.  So all up you are looking at 1480 inc shipping.  I still include the money back guarantee.  So if you aren't sat on your ass then it won't cost you a cracker!!

cheers

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2009, 06:58:26 am »

Rockin', Cheers Ben.


I shall drop you some mail of the 'e' variety pretty soon after the shootout.

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2009, 08:28:56 pm »

Hi All, just to let you know, i am heading to sydney this week thurs-sat for a shootout of the mics.  If any of you want to hook up and listen to the mics let me know.  



Cheers.

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2009, 06:33:08 am »

As many of you already know, i spent last friday in the studio doing a mic shootout.  the line up was as follows BeesNeez Arabella, Jade and James, Neumann U47, Wagner U47w and Nuemann M49b



Follow the link for the shootout!

sorry to post it on GS but the upload here is not big enough



http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/360260-mic-shootout- beesneez-wagner-neumann.html

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2009, 11:02:17 pm »

Ben,


I went over and checked it out. Didn't post because PSW is enough forum for me in many ways.

At first "glance", mic #5 seemed to do it for me on each artist. Although, I did like a different, specific mic on each artist individually. Namely #7 and #1 If memory serves me.

I would love to know the mic order.

Jason
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2009, 08:14:09 am »

i will post the order tomorrow.  but i will tell you that each mic you chose is a beesneez!!.

cheers.

ben

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2009, 09:51:16 am »

Hey ben

can you give us a rundown on the Neumann and the wunder? Alot of guys, myself not included, are real mic experts and I am sure they would like to hear about the condition, any history, or any mods etc done to the mics you went up against

I think this helps you on a forum like this.

I also think its great what you and terry and these guys are doing making great stuff.

thanks!

tim
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2009, 06:22:55 pm »

trock wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 00:51

Hey ben

can you give us a rundown on the Neumann and the wunder? Alot of guys, myself not included, are real mic experts and I am sure they would like to hear about the condition, any history, or any mods etc done to the mics you went up against

I think this helps you on a forum like this.

I also think its great what you and terry and these guys are doing making great stuff.

thanks!

tim


Hi Tim, the Neumann u47 was perfect in every way.  the owner of this mic has perhaps the world's best microphone collection and he chose this particular U47 due to it's condition and original nature.  The Wagner (not Wunder) was also a perfect example.  Gunter is personal friends with the studio owner and maintains all of his microphones to be in perfect condition.  Both of these mics have been used by many Australia and international top 40 artists.

I chose this studio for a reason, the owner of the studio is a very good friend of Gunters and only an aquaintance of mine.  I knew that this would mean that only the best mics would be chosen to go up in the shootout and that all tracking would be fair.

cheers.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2009, 04:41:05 pm »

miics wrote on Tue, 27 January 2009 07:14

i will post the order tomorrow.  but i will tell you that each mic you chose is a beesneez!!.

cheers.

ben

And the order is?

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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2009, 11:03:47 am »

Ben posted:

Hi Folks, you have all been very patient so; here they are...

1 = BeesNeez James
2 = Neumann M49b
3 = BeesNeez Jade
4 = Wagner U47w
5 = Arabella Neumann K47
6 = Neumann U47
7 = BeesNeez Arabella

Cheers
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This test went nuclear over at gearslutz so I am not surprised that Ben has not come back to really engage.  Turns out that the microphone which was badged as a Wagner U47W was a kit microphone which Gunter Wagner was aware of but did not reflect the quality of his production microphones.  It turns out that Ben probably did not know this at the time, but then the Wagner microphone fans accused Ben of fraud.  The fact that there were a U47 and U49 in the mix that Ben’s microphones stood in good company with for a fraction of the price did not seem to be important as the light diminished and the heat was turned up.

Galil

Ben said there:

Ok time for me to chime in.

I booked a studio owned by a good friend of Gunter Wagner for the purpose of comparison tests between my mics and others that are known as the best in the world.

All tolled, this shootout cost me $1500 to get organised (flights, Studio, Motels etc).

Now before you guys stick me on a cross, take a minute to think; would I spend this kind of money and go to a studio owned by a very good friend of Gunter just to use a fake Wagner? Come on, give me some credit, do you really think that i am that stupid?

The goal of the shootout was to run my labours of love up against the worlds best, i didn't care what the result would bring, i just wanted to give you all the chance to hear the results and make your own judgments.

I have been on the phone to Gunter for almost an hour. At first as you can imagine, he was saddened by this whole situation. Over the duration of the call we discussed many things. I even asked him how the mic came to have the Wagner badge!

What basically came from the call was two apollagies, one from me because i fealt soooo bad that i had misrepresented Gunter and the second from him due to the fact that he may have become a little too emotional before checking with me first. I am glad to say that we parted friends once again.

Any of you are very welcome to call Gunter if you would like to verify this information and frankly i can't blame any of you if you wish to do so.

It is sad that a bit of fun has become such a drag......

Let's not forget that their was an original U47 and M49 in the room.

I may have posted this info, but My only involvement in the shootout was to supply a few mics and to sing a tune or two. The entire process was carried out by Ganesh the engineer of whom i have never met nor spoken with before the day.

I don't really know what else to say other than sorry for the mis-information, i feel really ripped off, but not just me, how many other artists have hired that studio to use the "wagner" hmmmm i wonder.....

You want to know something really annoying.... there was another wagner 15 feet away in the next room as there are 4 business in the one premises.

Cheers
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Re: Going up against an orginal U47 and a wunder
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2009, 08:14:04 am »

hi guys,

Things did get heated over there.  At the end of the day though, the truth was realised by nearly all reading the thread.  Sorry i haven't been posting, i have been busy making mics.  
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