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faganking

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Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« on: November 24, 2008, 07:03:36 PM »

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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 07:11:49 PM »

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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 07:41:22 PM »

Yes, I thought it was the PM1000s that were supposed to be inspired by API.
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 08:12:45 PM »

I thought the 1000s were supposed to be the "Japan-neves", not API...

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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2008, 09:25:52 PM »

I remember reading on here at some point in the past that the "good" yahamas are the pm1000, pm2000, m1516 & m1532.

I don't have any hands-on experience to verify this, though.
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2008, 09:28:26 PM »

darink wrote on Tue, 25 November 2008 13:25

I remember reading on here at some point in the past that the "good" yahamas are the pm1000, pm2000, m1516 & m1532.

I don't have any hands-on experience to verify this, though.


I used an M1516 once to pull drum sounds (as in, I just set up to record & left) & I thought it sounded quite good.
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 12:48:11 AM »

Supposedly, the PM1000s are the "Neve-Like" models and the 1532s are "API-like".

But for two grand, I'd rather have the PM1000, or maybe an old Soundcraft.
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2008, 02:07:44 AM »

Some of the Yamaha stuff of that era features a discrete, 2520 pin compatible, potted op-amp. I think that's where some of this comes from. I have several but haven't done anything with them yet. The little mixer they came out of was pretty cloudy sounding.

Needless to say, the "sounds just like a bengali trident" rhetoric is out of control.


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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 02:30:43 AM »

I have a pair of mic pres from a PM1000 and while I like them, I don't know that I'd call them Neve-like.
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2008, 08:08:44 PM »

I'm ITB but use a Yamaha RM (recording mixer)800 for routing and such....anybody know of these or have an opinion? The few times I've mixed thru it I liked it.
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 08:47:58 PM »

I've owned a couple PM1000s for use at my rehearsal studio.  They're pretty nice.  I don't know if they are really quiet enough for recording, really.  At last min weren't.
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 08:56:36 PM »

J.J. Blair wrote on Tue, 25 November 2008 20:47

I've owned a couple PM1000s for use at my rehearsal studio.  They're pretty nice.  I don't know if they are really quiet enough for recording, really.  At last min weren't.

I wonder about the mods though on this one ....... maybe a nice improvement ?
http://nashville.craigslist.org/msg/925589500.html

I had a PM1000 at my old rehearsal studio too  which got a lot of use ..... all analog recording situation for demos  . I guess it was earlier used as a live FOH mixing board at the State Theatre in Mpls in the 70's .  it was great .
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 01:38:01 AM »

Fletcher?  Care to chime in?
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2008, 02:44:39 AM »

The PM1000 has great N3v3-ish sounding preamps, but lacks in output level as standalones. This may not impact WWforum low level recordists, as you can get very solid sounds at the levels they advise.
The EQ is a very primitive three band semi-para of the 73 type... totally non-surgical and not very musical.
I don't think the PM1k has direct outputs or channel inserts.
The mix bus sounds like mush when hit (not in a good way, in a smeary way).
There is no real routing compared to even a Blaringer or Make-me mixer. No true stereo inputs or outputs.
You can track with a PM1000, but racked up channels are actually better IMHO than the whole board since the pres and the XFMRs are the only really cool attributes.
I would not mix on a PM1000 unless I had to.

The PM2000 has great sounding preamps of the API school.
When in proper order, they sound excellent.
The EQ is a crude version of the 550A type, but lacks the vari-Q which makes the API significantly more useful and musical.
The mix buss and routing are usable, but not ideal since busses and masters aren't calibrated stereo faders but assignable mono faders.
I have mixed on a PM2000 and been happily surprised with the results. I also own one and have a great affection for it.

The m1516 and m1532 are very close in most respects to the PM2000 but have switchable redundant inputs for other applications (theater?, television?) and a slightly different EQ, metering and matrix.
I also own one of these that I track with regularly.

All three boards are XFMR balanced at every input, insert and output. I think all of them also share a weird design flaw, unbuffered meters. You can only switch them in to look at them, then switch them out. They adversely impact the sound in a way that I don't dig.

I consider all three to be among the best buys in pro audio.
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Re: Yamaha Console/API Clone?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2008, 07:13:14 AM »

mikeconrad wrote on Wed, 26 November 2008 01:08

I'm ITB but use a Yamaha RM (recording mixer)800 for routing and such....anybody know of these or have an opinion? The few times I've mixed thru it I liked it.


OT but to answer your query,I bought a Yamaha RM-804 (which does indeed look to be like a baby PM1000) off eBay for
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