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mgod

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Re: November 15
« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2008, 10:25:23 am »

Re: the neo-con agenda on Iraq prior to 9/11/2001:

 http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast2000-1997.ht m

Its all here, including exhortations to Clinton to invade, which he refused.(http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm)

(Hint to neo-con lobbyists: if you want to have influence on a sitting president stop taking up all his time with attempts at impeachemnt.)

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Re: November 15
« Reply #136 on: November 20, 2008, 12:09:22 pm »

mgod wrote on Thu, 20 November 2008 15:25

Re: the neo-con agenda on Iraq prior to 9/11/2001:

  http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast2000-1997.ht m

Its all here, including exhortations to Clinton to invade, which he refused.(http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm)

(Hint to neo-con lobbyists: if you want to have influence on a sitting president stop taking up all his time with attempts at impeachemnt.)

DS


No question that they had a hard on for invading Iraq long before 9/11, and I would say a very strong likelyhood that some people knowlingly used those events along with misinformation and misrepresentation in order to get what they wanted. Yes, I'm suggesting conspiracy.

But if they'd planned it from the start, wouldn't they have included a couple of Iraqi's on the list of terrorists? And a group of people who can plan and pull off the various things they're accused of in New York don't have the foresight and/or ability to smuggle a few truckloads of nasty chemicals into Iraq and plant them?
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John Ivan

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Re: November 15
« Reply #137 on: November 20, 2008, 12:45:56 pm »

mgod wrote on Thu, 20 November 2008 10:25

Re: the neo-con agenda on Iraq prior to 9/11/2001:

  http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast2000-1997.ht m

Its all here, including exhortations to Clinton to invade, which he refused.(http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm)

(Hint to neo-con lobbyists: if you want to have influence on a sitting president stop taking up all his time with attempts at impeachemnt.)

DS



I'm fully aware of this material and have been for a long time. What does it have to do with the subject at hand? I know there are mentally ill people among us, but they didn't cook up a scheme to kill their own people.. To get us into War. There are 9,987,987,987,675 ways to go about starting a war in Iraq without knocking down the twin towers.

It's a childish view.. Something horrible happens. The reasons why are pretty clear. Instead of facing those reasons, point to local political enemies and accuse them of killing their own country men and women.. When you can not produce one single ounce of anything that even begins to look like evidence, point out a bunch of meaningless coincidences.. Ignore all the Science. Dismiss all common sense. Make stuff up..

Maybe I missed the reason for your posting this stuff, but if it's to point to these people as if to say they were responsible for 911 somehow. I just don't get it.

This is what I see.
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Re: November 15
« Reply #138 on: November 21, 2008, 02:22:40 am »

John Ivan wrote on Thu, 20 November 2008 09:45

Maybe I missed the reason for your posting this stuff,

What you said.

There were posts from John Kuker that are now deleted asking for the refs. As to the rest of your argument, no comment.

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John Ivan

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Re: November 15
« Reply #139 on: November 21, 2008, 06:17:36 pm »

Yeah, and that's fine. We can disagree. I see no evidence that this was a conspiracy to commit this crime. I can see that covering up incompetency is a conspiracy, and I would not doubt that. There were lot's of reasons to believe something LIKE this could happen, and while the Clinton Administration is not without fault, they did give very serious warnings about these people being hell bent on attacks. From what we can all gather, it appears that these warnings might not have been taken as seriously as they should have..


In my opinion, it should surprise no one that these morons had both a "bring it on" attitude, and a "dear in the headlights" resolve.


The thing I've been most focused on is what I see as absurd assumptions about what happened physically to these buildings and these aircraft.

Ivan..................

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