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T. Mueller

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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2008, 03:42:55 pm »

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Hey, this is just me, others have already voiced different opinions about your mix.


That's exactly what I was looking for.  Trying to get better.  I normally don't "mix", and I definitely don't do it as a profession.  As a musician, I'm always looking to better mixes, etc, for demos and such.  Any amp simulators anyone would recommend?
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2008, 07:40:29 pm »

the waves guitar sim stuff is way fun to use in parallel processing type situations.  Especially the pedal plugins.  I've also heard a lot of people say good things about the psp vintage warmer plugin on bass.
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2008, 09:12:12 am »

Thanks, Colin!
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2008, 12:08:56 pm »

is this IMP wrapped up?


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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2008, 01:09:01 pm »

I've been trying like hell to get to my crits...been a busy week for me but I should have time coming up here to get them done.
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2008, 01:39:31 pm »

+1 !!!!

I'm really not trying to be an ass. I'm buried. You guys know I don't mind giving my opinion.  Rolling Eyes
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2008, 01:19:51 pm »

My apologies for lameness. Overloaded with work. I started to write some reviews and (my dog ate it) my computer crashed. So demoralizing!
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2008, 06:02:19 am »

j.hall wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 12:08

is this IMP wrapped up?





No, I still have to find a couple of hours to critically listen through the submitted mixes. I'm choked at the moment but I'll certainly do it asap.

Peace,

Stefan
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2008, 07:03:21 pm »

osumosan wrote on Mon, 10 November 2008 12:19

My apologies for lameness. Overloaded with work. I started to write some reviews and (my dog ate it) my computer crashed. So demoralizing!


Same here. My computer decided to take a vacation sunday and monday.  Mad
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2008, 07:53:26 am »

Ok , I finally listened to all of them. As this is highly subjective please don't take any comment too seriously. I'll try to keep it short and to the point. Also , having reviewed this many entries and judging by the how little feedback has been received so far , may I suggest that to make the discussion easier the participants be split into groups. Reviewing 10 to 15 entries at a time would be more manageable.

JOBU - like arrangement  , too much reverb , didn't tune vox , some timing issues remain , don't like the sudden end  

Mkane - too much reverb , too much compression , too much delay , scooped mids , missed vocal tuning , timing issues remain , like reverb on acoustic gtr but too much of it

YZ - file is clipped , overall is a bit dark , too much reverb , timing issues remain , rhodes alone is a bit weird but great entrance with gtrs after wards , missed tuning vox , vocal doubling a little loud and rough sounding

NelsonL - background noise (probably due to the distortion) , vox too loud , didn't like the type of distortion used , like fx on rhodes , too much reverb , missed tuning vox

sstillwell - too much fx , don't like intro , timing issues remain , missed tuning vox , don't like outro

iCombs - background noise , too much fx , timing issues remain , missed tuning vox , too much compression , breaths on vocal are too loud

eh91311 - too much reverb , don't like arragement , timing issues remain , bass shy , missed tuning vox , click track bleed

Tricklecharge - interesting intro but a bit long , like the overall mix idea but too much fx , missed tuning vox , don't like the lo-fi fx used

Electric_Warrior - weird spike on one snare hit , background noise , vox too loud , timing issues not so bothersome on this one , too much reverb on drums , snare's image off center

colinl - background noise , too much reverb , too much compression , timing issues remain , like overall idea , missed tuning vox

Osumosan03 - file clipped , background noise , extreme compression , overall a bit dark , cymbals too bright , missed tuning vox , too much fx on vox makes it sound distant , click track bleed , compressor breathing

HissSound - vox a bit loud , rhodes a bit low , some phase issues remain , timing issues remain but no so bothersome , missed tuning vox , good mix I like it

singsing - too much compression , don't like the fx on vox , missed vox tuning , added distortion to gtrs? , good balance , timing issues remain but no so bothersome , don't like eq on acoustic gtr , like outro idea but not the fx used quality wise (a bit too grainy)

grantrichard - file is clipped , don't like drum sounds , too much reverb on vox , don't like arrangement , good balance

Billybehdaz - like vox and bass , like arrangement , in general I like it

MGT - bass heavy , vox too compressed , missed tuning vox , timing issues remain

MGAudio - strange little thump at files beginning (king of like a snare's reverb return or a mistrigered snare sample) , too much reverb on drums , missed tuning vox , didn't like delay on acoustic gtr

Firefly - I like it , vox a bit loud , timing issues remain , missed tuning vox , good balance , don't like acoustic gtr panning , in general a good approach

JasonThompson - hi-hat a bit bright , off center snare , gtrs a bit low , mistrigered samples? , missed tuning vox , offcenter vox , overall good

DCombs - background noise , too much fx , gtr low , timing issues remain , missed vox tuning , too much compression on vox

slash - don't like drum sound , don't like distortion on bass , vox too loud , missed tuning vox , like how you rided rhodes , vox drops in volume at outro , overall ok but less processing would be better , there are phase issues with drums' overheads

STARSCREAM2010 - file is clipped , background noise , hi-hat loud , vox sounds dull , too much compression , excess energy on kick below 50hz , like handling of rhodes and gtrs

TheDan - too much bass , timing issues remain , too much compression (buss compression?) , missed tuning vox , interesting fx on rhodes , too much fx on electric gtrs

JonahAKort - piano is a bit thin sounding , too much distortion on bass , used amp simulation on bass? , too much reverb on vox , low freq plop on vox , don't like delay used on piano , missed vox tuning , like the muting of piano and which I had thought of that , don't like delay on acoustic gtr , the vox reverb at end I like but there is a bit too much of it

RwApeMix - background noise , very nice arrangement ideas , snare a bit loud , did not care for radio fx on vocal at outro , overall I like this version

AdamMiller - file is clipped , background noise with a pronounced spike at 15.4khz (dither?) , interesting snare sound , bass a tad loud , too much compression , center is a bit crowded

TJM - didn't like intro , maybe if reversed , too much compression with pumping breathing and distortion , low end out of control , missed tuning vox , background noise probably because of massive compression

Fiasco - file is clipped , dither noise? , timing issues remain , missed the tuning vox , did not care for vocal fx at outro
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2008, 10:03:23 am »

JCMastering wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 10:53


YZ - file is clipped


No. There's limiting.  There's no clipping in the file, ie, the 0dB FS samples are as intended.

Thanks for the reviews!


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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2008, 12:56:20 pm »

Here we go!!!

First off...I'm not going to comment on tuning and timing edits...I, personally, didn't think that this song suffered for any lack of performance or feel, so I was MORE than okay to leave the piano as-is.

AdamMiller - Vocal presence is killer.  Tight and up front.  Unfortunately, I think that comes at the price of punch throughout the rest of the mix...the drums and piano feel really diffuse.  

MG Audio - Piano feels really rich...vocal placement feels pretty comfortable throughout but there are a couple of spots that could've used a little riding.  Like the delay work with the guitars and that interaction with the piano.  DELAY ON THE ACOUSTIC!!  A lot!!  The delay return's got a thump to it like the dry signal that makes it distracting to my ears...some filtering might help that sit in the track better.

SStillwell - WOAH!  Ring modulators from hell?  I don't even know what that is...but there are times when it's pretty cool.  I like the arrangement cut for the last "verse" (or whatever that part is).  Bottom of the mix feels really good...like the vocal treatment as well...bud DAMN am I having trouble getting past the extra stuff.  I think if yoused a little more tactically, it would be more effective.

Firefly - DRY.  Interesting balance choices...piano is WAY back...mix is mostly drums and bass.  Drums feel a little anemic to me...could use some more beef and snap.  Sibilants in the vocal track are a little out of hand...a little de-essing would go a long way.

Tricklecharge - Holy. Crap.  I only had the slowed version...I will say that I liked the intro with all the backwardness.  And...to be honest...I almost like it down at that speed.  WAY different feel.  I'll find your fixed on and put it up in a later set.

TJM - WOW LOUD.  Feels like it's been filtered a lot.  Though, all the crush on it feels weird to me (which is saying something if you listen to my mix).  Vocal is slammed to the max and back.  In a lot of ways, it feels like it's missing some natural dynamics.

Grant Richard - NO bass at the top!  BALLS!!!  Love the sizzle on the top of this mix...hats feel crispy in a cool way.  Would like to hear the whole mix come forward a little bit, especially the vocals.  From like 1.5-4.5k feels a little weak.  Drums are popping really nicely and the bass is tucked in really neatly.

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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2008, 02:22:44 pm »

YZ wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 09:03

JCMastering wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 10:53


YZ - file is clipped


No. There's limiting.  There's no clipping in the file, ie, the 0dB FS samples are as intended.

Thanks for the reviews!





Maybe the file was not clipped prior to conversion to mp3 , but as submitted is clipped.
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2008, 02:52:22 pm »

here's my first eight reviews. all very subjective. don't take them too seriously. judging mixes is a really confusing task for me. the more I listen to the different mixes, the less I seem to remember what "good" and "bad" sounds like...

0dbFS: I don't like the delay on the vocals. it might sit better if it was a bit softer or deessed. I like the overall balance. the "chorus"-part needs to stand out more.

Mkane: the snare reverb seems rather big - but that's only my initial reaction to it. fits nicely into the picture once the vocals kick in. I don't like the vocals - they sound weired to me. maybe overly de-essed? nice bass. hi-hat sounds thin and overly bright.

YZ: like the piano. cool vocal thing in the chorus. rhoads solo is a nice idea, but doesn't sound effortless enough.

NelsonL: bass sounds too big to me. vocals have too much treble. sounds hissy and biting. the reverb on the vocals is pretty nice.

sstillwell: cool intro. vocals need more meat. there's plenty of room for it.

iCombs: vocals too soft (but I have to admit I like them on the loud side). too much fx. kick too loud.

EHouston: drums have an interesting flavour - but it doesn't fit the song. snare could use a little reverb. bass too soft. vocal fx are weired. chorus needs to sound bigger

Billybehdazz: I do like the compression on drums, but I think it's too much for this song. vocals need some verb. needs more depth overall. and more low end.
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Re: IMP20 Discussion
« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2008, 09:22:56 am »

Finally...

I'll write some feedback over the weekend.


Cheers,

Stefan
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