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[mgod]

Berolzheimer wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 13:56

those things take money to run, and where's it supposed to come if not the tax base?

Oh, the usual: China, Russia and Saudi Arabia.

DS

[rankus]

Berolzheimer wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 13:56

rankus wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 13:20 Ownership hmmmm.... Does indentured servitude count? (taxpayer) Hmmm where to begin.......being a taxpayer isn't indentured servitude, it's just paying for the services we get.

Try not paying for those "services" and see what happens.  

And if you track the costs of those services you may realize we are being over-billed    

My original post was meant as humor btw,

but

[Barry Hufker]

You know that statement in the first post is such shit.  Obama wants to raise taxes on those making more than a QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS a year.  And he wants to raise it from 36 percent to 39 percent so folks who are better off can take some of the tax burden off the middle class  -- who is paying for the fucking wars and the fucking bailout.

And the average middle class Republican acts as tho' the money will come out of *his* pocket and hollers about it all damn day.  Funny thing.  You know who said this first?  McCain.  When?  In the 2000 election primaries when he was running against Bush.  But back then McCain didn't think it was socialism.

Watch McCain actually say it himself when an audience members asks, "isn't that socialism?"

http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/daily-show-flashback -mccain-socialis

[Berolzheimer]

Barry Hufker wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 15:01

You know that statement in the first post is such shit.  Obama wants to raise taxes on those making more than a QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS a year.  And he wants to raise it from 36 percent to 39 percent so folks who are better off can take some of the tax burden off the middle class  -- who is paying for the fucking wars and the fucking bailout.

You should add to this that that increase from 36 to 39 percent only applies to the amount over 250,000.  So if you make 300,000, you pay 36 percent on 250,000 & 39 percent on 50,000.  Not taking into account of course deductions & loopholes, which everyone making enough to pay taxes has plenty of.

Which brings up another point- tax breaks don't help folks who don't make enough to pay taxes.  So all this talk about tax breaks & tax credits doesn't do squat for the people who need help the most.

[John Ivan]

Yeah, this whole thing is like some strange old film.. I remember McCains' position on the Bush tax cuts for a reason. It's one of the many times in the past that Mr. McCain impressed me to some degree..

It is now very clear that the guy is completely full of shit and is not to be believed.. In fact, taking this man at his word could be fatal for some.. It really could..

In other words, depending on who you are, and whether or not you are in the Military, John McCain winning the White House, could kill you.

On Tax policy, well, what can be said that hasn't been said already.. He's full of shit. Period. Go read his policy.

Ivan.....................

[jimlongo]

rankus wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 17:37

Berolzheimer wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 13:56 rankus wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 13:20 Ownership hmmmm.... Does indentured servitude count? (taxpayer) Hmmm where to begin.......being a taxpayer isn't indentured servitude, it's just paying for the services we get.   Try not paying for those "services" and see what happens.   And if you track the costs of those services you may realize we are being over-billed     My original post was meant as humor btw, but

The overbilling is the cost of exporting democracy, or if you prefer, profit to Haliburton.

[zmix]

My sister in Minneapolis saw a bumper sticker with a picture of the 35W bridge collapse and the words: "Read my lips, no new taxes!"

[Strummer]

We had TEA-21 in 98. We could have fixed some bridges, but Halliburton won.

[mgod]

Barry Hufker wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 15:01

Obama wants to raise taxes on those making more than a QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS a year.

Net, not gross, an important point. AFTER deductions.

DS

[Daniel Farris]

That "you don't own you" is already well established legally.

Skeptical? Try to sell a kidney.

DF

[Larrchild]

I'm not the boss of me!

[rphilbeck]

Jay Kadis wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 10:05

The more you benefit from the government (that establishes the economic ground rules), the more you owe.  The rich should be happy to kick in more to maintain the country from which they've profited.

Im not rich, but I think they kick in a pretty good amount already don't you?  They do pay the majority of the bill as it is.

[rphilbeck]

Larrchild wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 11:57

I always enjoy the attempts of those to compare a known and proven failure with a potential unknown one. Ginning it up to scare you is free. No extra charge. Socialist!

Are you suggesting socialism is not a known and proven failure?  Cmon, capitalism needs some work, but it's the best system devised so far.  

[rphilbeck]

Berolzheimer wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 16:56

rankus wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 13:20 Ownership hmmmm.... Does indentured servitude count? (taxpayer) Hmmm where to begin.......being a taxpayer isn't indentured servitude, it's just paying for the services we get.  You want police & fire departments?  You have to pay for those.  Streets?  Sewers?  Schools?  Hospitals? An FAA?  those things take money to run, and where's it supposed to come if not the tax base?

Everyone wants infrastructure.  The article is about hand outs to the entitlement crowd.

[Barry Hufker]

Socialized Capitalism (what we have in the U.S.) works very well.  In general, it is based on the worst in human nature - greed, selfishness, cynicism, materialism.  By socializing it a bit, capitalism is palatable to those who don't have the financial, social, economic, political advantages to succeed.  The poor may never rise to the top but as long as they aren't dying in outrageous numbers and aren't homeless in outrageous numbers (in other words most people can at least get by), then things are "fine".  

Of course with the bailout, the rich (who always think of themselves as the entitled - because they are powerful)got what they wanted as well - greed with very little risk.  This is when Socialism bailed out Capitalism.  If it were true Capitalism, everyone at risk should have been allowed to be wiped out.  Think of it in the same way a forest fire cleanses the wilderness.  But that didn't happen and so things will continue to be shitty.

Of course, because of Socialism, those who would have privitized their Social Security and would have nothing left for retirement can be thankful there is still Social Security.