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Author Topic: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?  (Read 4508 times)

Alécio Costa - Brazil

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Hi friends! Let us present here some examples of big money losses due to gear evolution:
Here are some of mine: (Brazilian prices)

a)Roland Dm800 + Dif800+DA400 > 1996: U$7200 2004: U$500

b)Adat Xt Alesis > 1997: U$3500 2004: U$500

c)Pro Tools 24TDM+ G3 233+ Glyph SCSI CDR + SCSI HD 6GB>
1996:U$10500 2004: U$2500

d)Iomega Jaz Drive > 1996:U$700 2004:U$50

e)Yamaha 02R V2 + MB2 + 3 CD8AT 1997:U$11000 2004:U$4000

I am not even considering old plugin bundles, where if not updated, probably have a value figure of zero "$$$".

Interesting, nice microphones and monitors have almost kept their values all over the years, as well as top stringed instruments.


So... Is HD Accel + 96I/o soon becoming something from the past as technology is continuously rolling?

Thanks for the attention, hope to read your opinions!

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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2004, 12:26:33 pm »

how about none?

everything I've bought has paid for itself multiple times over. I would think that would have to be the case for everyone but hobbyists.

the one that almost drove me to suicide was ADATS  Shocked
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Hi Drew
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2004, 12:51:07 pm »

I ado agree with you. Much of the gear has paid countless times, like microphones, original DAW but I am not pretty sure about computers and some DIgi gear.
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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2004, 01:20:20 pm »

It's the same exact thing in any business:
1.  Stuff that wears out:  Engines, saw blades, etc.
2.  Stuff that doesn't wear out:  Screwdrivers, wrenches, etc.
3.  Stuff that goes out of style:  Machine to do a certain type of lamination, maybe.
4.  Stuff that suddenly goes obselete:  Business cards with old address
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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2004, 05:20:01 pm »

I thought this was going to be a thread about how home recording DAWs have hurt the recording business.  But, I have complained everytime I have to buy anything DAW related about how it will be worthless in 6 months, where as my Neve modules, Telefunken mics, etc. will only go up in value.  However, as Drew has mentioned, sometimes that is the price of doing business.  Would I be able to get work without these tools?  I'm not always buying something for it's value appreciation.  Just bite the bullet and imagine that you are buying very expensive printer ink.
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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2004, 12:06:09 pm »

How much for an used  PT HD OF ( original formula)  nowadays?
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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2004, 07:31:27 pm »

I'm the first to complain about Digi systems but I've paid for the privilege. I have a PT HD3 (non Accel)system running 6.4 on a mac and I'm very happy with the result I'm getting. It's far better than a mix system....I had one before I upgraded to HD.
If you take up Digi's exchange program and you had a mix system for the past 5 years...you getting a good deal. But really if you getting good results with the system you've got now...stay with it.
What other company's besides Yamaha and Digidesign have exchange programs for upgrades?


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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2004, 09:43:26 pm »

Alecio,

The fall in value you have experienced in your digital equipment is the very small price of admision to a club that until recently cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars to join. Before digital recorders, 24 track machines cost around $85,000.00 including the ubiquitous Dolby A system. A console could cost $500,000.00 and a studio could charge $100.00 to $150.00 per hour max. Many could only charge half of that for their services. Many of us remember those "good" old days.

New technologies like digital audio and video always represent a potential for loss. We call it the "bleeding edge". However that edge is where creativity lives.

If you want to buy things to resell, buy gold coins. If you want to buy things to make music, buy the best you can afford, use the hell out of it and move on. If you believe that your PT24 TDM system is obsolete then you are buying the hype from salesmen. Can you still record with it? Does it sound any different than the day you bought it and thought it was the best sounding recorder you ever heard? I think not. Is your music somehow a failure because you are not recording at 96K? I think not. There have been many killer recordings made on systems just like yours. There will continue to be as well.

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Bill
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Hi Bill
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2004, 08:35:13 am »

I completly agree with you. My PT Mix+ under OS 9.2 does pretty fine. No real need to be with the hottest toys on the block. There are lots of people still on 44k/48k/24.
I think I was a little lucky to have not joined the boat of the PT HD thing. Maybe, wait for the next move.
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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2004, 03:59:47 pm »

our school has an eventide digital delay from way back, early 80s sometime i think. it has a few hundred ms of delay. new it was about 8k and now its worth jack. i dont even think it works.

the whole idea of digital advancing leads me, as a home studio guy, to buy cheaper native systems and spend the money where it counts (for me), on mics, pres, comps, etc.

of course, as mentioned, if i was trying to get paying clients into my studio, protools is a major selling point lots of times.

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2004, 10:13:38 pm »

Bill Mueller wrote on Thu, 17 June 2004 18:43

Before digital recorders, 24 track machines cost around $85,000.00 including the ubiquitous Dolby A system.


Wait, if an 827 cost $45k brand new, do you mean to tell me that Dolby A cost $40k?  Who were you buying your machines from?

Y'all should just be grateful that you didn't spend $250k on a Synclavier that you can buy now for about $8k-12k.  But then again, the two people that I know who did buy Synclaviers made millions using them, so I guess it evens out.
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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2004, 10:52:54 pm »

The 827 was the low cost model. An A800 with an extra 16 track stack and 24 channels of Dolby A or SR was right up there. Also, our first mulit track digital machine was a Sony 3324 which was exactly $85K.

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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2004, 11:09:12 pm »

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Y'all should just be grateful that you didn't spend $250k on a Synclavier that you can buy now for about $8k-12k


$8k-12k? Nobody's getting that much for them anymore. Keep an eye on Ebay. It seems you can't give a Synclavier away these days. The bigger the system, the less they seem to be worth. Transportation and storage space will probably keep Synclaviers from being collector's items. Finding working peripherals to keep them going is also going to be difficult. They're certainly not like a Hammond B-3.

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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2004, 03:29:38 am »

Good points - that for some the investment to stay on top of technology would have been worth it business wise. Adats: for me that was a painful purchase - the current street price is diddly. But for a friend of mine he must have paid for them 100 times over at least running a popular project studio with Adats.

On another note - I just bought an old Analogue 24 trk for around $1500 - the new price must have been around $50,000..Ampex MM1200.

So there has been pain in the analogue World as well.

Just look at all those top flight $$ MCI consoles like 500 and 600 series that sell for a few 1000 now.

I recall when the original 2 trk PT came out - a local label bought it and a Mac for something like 12-15,000 CDN $ - You'd probably have to pay someone to take it off your hands now.

Thats why I like to buy used when possible - I don;t need to keep up with the Joneses & I like that fact that the resale price tends to stay at around the same level, or at least not plummet so hugely as with new gear.

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Re: Big money losses due to Digital Recording Evolution.examples?
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2004, 10:45:14 am »

Biggest issue I ever had was pushing the HD on my MX-2424 beyond full and I lost two complete songs a client had recorded.  I had to re-record the songs at no charge, and the re-do's weren't as good.  

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