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[Chris Ilett]

Edvaard wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 06:11

Other kids watching, all the while.

Like the kids you showed it to?

[mgod]

Jon Hodgson wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 03:59

You need to switch to decaf or something.

Actually, decaf has been shown to raise cholesterol levels, which isn't always a good thing. So talk to your doctor to see if decaf is safe for you.

DS

[Devin Knutson]

Edvaard wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 05:51

playground penis

Perfect!  I think I may have finally found the title of my next record.

At the release party, I'll have a slide shaped like an elbow, and have post menopausal women sliding down it with naughty looks on their faces.

All the children will be in the other room, watching people get their heads blown off in PG rated movies, but at least none of the bleeding corpses will allude to human sexuality in any way.

Will that be all right?

[Edvaard]

MagnetoSound wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 12:14

Jeez Edvaard, what the hell is up with you? To be using this thread just for the purpose of making a prolonged personal attack on another member (- for what? -) is quite unacceptable behaviour in my opinion, and pretty insulting to the rest of us. Do you really think that anybody wants to see you conduct yourself in this way? And what do you expect us to think about it? If you're tired, take a break man, get some sleep, come down or whatever you need to do to return to the land of the living. This is just sad. Get well soon. Dan

Sorry.

(not being facetious)

[Edvaard]

Devin Knutson wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 13:42

All the children will be in the other room, watching people get their heads blown off in PG rated movies, but at least none of the bleeding corpses will allude to human sexuality in any way. Will that be all right?

Yes, the violence thing is another issue.

Sorry if I came across as a prude, or whatever, but I just don't understand sex or violence, either one, as "entertainment."

Then there's the video games.

[Larrchild]

Queen is ok, but Urethra Franklin would have been better.

[Hallams]

             

[Edvaard]

Larrchild wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 20:46

Urethra Franklin would have been better.

My what?

[Devin Knutson]

I am truly not interested in revitalizing this useless argument, but I do feel that the following point should be made - if for no other reason than to appease my own conscience.

Edvaard wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 17:31

Devin Knutson wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 13:42 All the children will be in the other room, watching people get their heads blown off in PG rated movies, but at least none of the bleeding corpses will allude to human sexuality in any way. Will that be all right? Yes, the violence thing is another issue.

No,  it's not - and if you'll indulge me a bit longer, I'll try (almost certainly futilely) to explain why.

Quote:

Sorry if I came across as a prude, or whatever, but I just don't understand sex or violence, either one, as "entertainment."

You are correct... Clearly, you do not understand either sex or violence.  In fact, they are very closely related, both being based entirely on empathy.  The one on the presence, and the other on the absence.

The simple truth is that you DID come across as a prude, because you ARE a prude.

It is important to note that you are NOT a prude because you feel a certain physical revulsion toward a phallus shaped children's slide  -  you are a prude because your personal Belief system prevents your understanding of the clear link between the vilification of human sexuality and the glorification of human violence.

The one is the direct result of the other.

I will repeat that, because it bears repeating.

The one is the direct result of the other.

Institutionalized solipsism.  It really does go a long distance toward controlling how you think and act and react.

Believe it or not (and you have already demonstrated that you do not), the inability to grasp this simple truth is at the root of much of the world's grief, and the longer we force our children to Believe otherwise, the longer we force them them to repeat the same mistakes.

And the more I think about it, the more I think I really will write an album call "Playground Penis".  Alliterative genius, that.

[Karel 'Charly' Will]

Amen

[Edvaard]

[quote title=Devin Knutson wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 07:08]I am truly not interested in revitalizing this useless argument, but I do feel that the following point should be made - if for no other reason than to appease my own conscience.

Edvaard wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 17:31

Devin Knutson wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 13:42 All the children will be in the other room, watching people get their heads blown off in PG rated movies, but at least none of the bleeding corpses will allude to human sexuality in any way. Will that be all right? Yes, the violence thing is another issue.

"No,  it's not - and if you'll indulge me a bit longer, I'll try (almost certainly futilely) to explain why."


Your efforts will not be futile, I assure you.

Quote:

Sorry if I came across as a prude, or whatever, but I just don't understand sex or violence, either one, as "entertainment."

"You are correct... Clearly, you do not understand either sex or violence.  In fact, they are very closely related, both being based entirely on empathy.  The one on the presence, and the other on the absence."


OK, you "got" me on this one. I have never understood sex or violence, as pertains to "entertainment", but,  if you choose to limit discussion of either item to the world of "entertainment", then, again I'm lost, and you win the game.

"The simple truth is that you DID come across as a prude, because you ARE a prude.

It is important to note that you are NOT a prude because you feel a certain physical revulsion toward a phallus shaped children's slide  -  you are a prude because your personal Belief system prevents your understanding of the clear link between the vilification of human sexuality and the glorification of human violence."


Oh really? The "clear link" you allude to is based perfectly upon YOUR belief system, not mine.

(man, I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed things since becoming a virtual anarchist, )



"The one is the direct result of the other.

I will repeat that, because it bears repeating.

The one is the direct result of the other."


Thank you, that explains your own "beleif system" so well.

And, like so many belief systems, it needs to be repeated, repeatedly, for effect.




"Institutionalized solipsism.  It really does go a long distance toward controlling how you think and act and react.

Believe it or not (and you have already demonstrated that you do not), the inability to grasp this simple truth is at the root of much of the world's grief, and the longer we force our children to Believe otherwise, the longer we force them them to repeat the same mistakes."


So now, my inability to "grasp" mainstream media, or take them at their word, constitutes just what, now?

If you can make any sense out of all that, you'd be the first.


Sorry, but this is all just TOO funny.

You make some large presumption, when any other point of view "startles" you too much, and you then flail about, trying to point to "religion", at the first stroke of someone going against your cherished ideals?

Mainstream media has accomplished the task well, is all I can say.


Read any of my other posts here regarding the war, or the bailout, then tell me again how my "beleif" system is any worse than yours.

I haven't been to church in decades, but I was just born with whatever sensibilities I have, sorry to all here, however much such "understandings" might trouble others.

If your "Belief" system has you so rigidly on one side or another, I'm sorry, but you've been suckered into the scam.

Your efforts at trying to pull me into all that are hereby summarily rebuffed.

As to your efforts towards over simplification, especially as regards such convenience (not to mention contrivance) as tying repulsion of sex-for-entertainment to admiration of violence (so completely of your own making there), again, you've struck out.

Get used to it, your ideological convenience is not my concern.



And, if you expect that retention or not of the sensibilities of a 15 yr. old boy well into adulthood marks one as a target, then consider me so painted, on the 'not' side of it.

[sugar21]

Here's my point of the world. Straight from a comics mouth...

It's now time to celebrate adultery, porn, misconduct, Manson want-to-bes. . .If it's disgusting, disturbing, full of NO self-control or lack of manners...the world is turning onto it.

We can now go into the grocery store, head to the deli and poopoo. We can't say its' wrong because someone is 'expressing themselves'.

We can't say don't eat the shit b/c its colorful that makes you a hater. And the person using the word is the one spewing the hate but can't see it. (didn't you see the venom coming out with that word) and they ate the shit is still stuck to their forehead.

And if your shoe needs tied so you don't trip, we now let the person trip down the 30 flights of stairs then laugh at them.

OMG don't get me started. I am not claiming it or speaking it. Just presenting or repeating someone's slap in your face phrases.

[Edvaard]

I think that it was Steve Allen that said "comedy is tragedy, plus time" or something like that.

But, thank you in any regards, for the "slap in the phase" here.

I know I'm fighting a losing battle.


I should learn to just "let go", and all that stuff.


War is good.


I'll catch on, eventually.