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marcel

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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2008, 04:54:01 pm »

I really think authentic instruments and playing styles make the biggest contribution to this kind of 'retro' sound.  I did a session earlier this year with a '60s Ludwig kit and an equally 'period' snare drum, the make of which I don't recall.  4038 mono OH, RE20 kick, 57 under snare, and there it was...
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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2008, 01:42:43 pm »

I don't think I would argue that 'panning" (meaning not panning) is going to be THE big thing in sounding more "60's".

but it is PART of it.

I don't think you'll find a 60's record with instruments spread out all over the little in-between points of the stereo spectrum.

face it.
MONO sounds very 60's.


people have a tendency to say "well I want a 60's thing, but I still want to use all digital reverb, and sampled keyboards in stereo, and to mic the drums with 17 mics and to autotune the vocals and to beat detective everything, and I want to overdub each part separately and be able to mix it later from its own one of 124 tracks) and so on.

the way to get closer to a 60's sound is to ask yourself at EACH step how they would likely have done it.
or been ABLE to do it.


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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2008, 02:08:58 pm »

i think a lot of people mean attitude, playing style and arrangements when they talk about a 60s sound.  I bet most of them still want a modern recording sound.
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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2008, 02:59:40 pm »

wwittman wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 10:42

...or been ABLE to do it.


Including the band being ABLE to get a good basic take together, live.

I think an element of spill (bleed) is also a defining part of this sound.  Meaning don't overdub unless you run out of hands/channels on the basic.
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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2008, 03:16:33 pm »

for an annoying use of pan, listen to Jimi Hendrix's Foxy.  Great song, great guy, bad pan choices.
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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2008, 03:05:28 pm »

but again , are they really "pan choices" or are they the way things were recorded together on the limited number of tracks?

unless you mean Eddie's predilection for swooping things around during the mix.
That's another story.


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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2008, 05:50:53 pm »

I just feel that some seriously bad pan was dropped on me in that track.
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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2008, 03:58:03 pm »

Some of that haphazzard panning happened when (AFAIK, please correct me if this is wrong) the Beatles' 4-track recordings were sent to the US to cut the records for the american market.
The tapes had been recorded with a mono final mix in mind, but accross the pond someone must have thought "we have stereo now, so we'll mix it down to stereo"
That, and probably the fact that panning was only switchable at the time, made for those weird mixes.
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Re: pan left, pan center, pan right
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2008, 11:44:43 am »

yes and no.

SOME Beatles records were recorded, or reduced, to two tracks... intended to be mixed together to mono as a master

and some of those two tracks were mastered as "stereo" final releases in the US

but that reinforces my point about it being more about what's together on one track rather than each thing being "decided" into a stereo position.


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