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[grantis]

meverylame wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 21:57

Or just grow a pair and bus them together on input.   But really.... not kidding try it. Same with kick in/kick out.

I don't think I'm ready for that!  haha.

[Jonah A. Kort]

Me either...

[meverylame]

grant richard wrote on Sat, 27 September 2008 00:50

I don't think I'm ready for that!  haha.

If you're recording drums... you're ready just use your ears and boldly move forth. Its really pretty liberating all said and done.

Actually here's a great one that I saw the other day.

Build and XLR y-cable. One male end, two females. On one of the two female ends switch pins 2 and 3 so that you have effectively phase reversed one side of it. And then find two mics that impedance match nicely. Oddly enough 421s and 57s do this well. And there you go. Summed down. At the cable. You wanna mess with the phase.... go move the mic. Killer on toms.

And then you can really make J wanna shoot you and sum all the toms down to one stereo track on input.

[beau]

i print summed kick in and out together all the time.  and the y cable works wonders for a pair of 604's on top and bottom toms.  (oops didn't see the above post talking about toms, so ill add this little bit)  the 604's work well on toms with the y cable because you have the little clips on them and can just clip them on to the hoops and the phase is usually pretty right on.  also works great with the old atm250's.  

im not really feelin the y cable on snare, because i almost never use the bottom mic that loud in the mix.  

just my opinion.

peace

beau

[rankus]

beau wrote on Sat, 27 September 2008 09:32

im not really feelin the y cable on snare, because i almost never use the bottom mic that loud in the mix.   beau

Me too.  I often like to treat the bottom differently (eq/comp etc) as well.  I usually don't know what the treatment will be until mix.  But then again I am the guy that likes to print separate mics for guitar amps instead of busing them too.

[j.hall]

meverylame wrote on Sat, 27 September 2008 10:45

And then you can really make J wanna shoot you and sum all the toms down to one stereo track on input.

i'll deal with whatever is delivered.  doesn't mean i have to smile about it.

printing top and bottom snare mics to one track is NOT ideal for me.  but i'm sure i can use enough samples to get what i wanted.

[compasspnt]

Jonah A. Kort wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 02:39

How many of you all use a bottom mic on the snare?

Never.

Bottom snare mics sound awful.


BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"?

[j.hall]

i check it every time, but 99% of the time the tracking guy reversed the phase to PT.

that's engineering 101, imo.

[rankus]

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 06:07

How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"?

Always during tracking, and then checked again when beginning the mix. All mics checked for phase at both stages actually.

[pg666]

i've never been impressed.

i just recorded my drummer's kit with a 57 on the beater and it picked up quite a bit of bottom snare. if i end up using a lot of beater in the mix, i'll probably have to gate it because that brissly toothbrush sound makes the snare wimpy, to me.

i could see it being a good thing for light brush playing or something, but for a thick rock snare i don't think i'll ever like it.

[ericswan]

Never bother with a bottom mic. I usually mic the snare from the side of the shell with a SDC facing away from the high hat. This will give me the sound of the whole drum. I only mic the top head if there is a lot of brushwork being played.

[Jonah A. Kort]

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 08:07

Jonah A. Kort wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 02:39 How many of you all use a bottom mic on the snare? Never. Bottom snare mics sound awful. BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"?

When you solo it, but listens to a mix with the bottom mic soloed?  

[grantis]

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 08:07

Jonah A. Kort wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 02:39 How many of you all use a bottom mic on the snare? Never. Bottom snare mics sound awful. BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"?

Yes, they do sound awful...... by themselves that is.  

With support, they're VERY beneficial.

[Jonah A. Kort]

In addition, I find myself pulling the sample fader down when i

have a bottom mic available...

...assuming the drummer knows how to play the drums...I hate making

an ass of me(self)...and you too

[j.hall]

grant richard wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 07:42

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 08:07 Jonah A. Kort wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 02:39 How many of you all use a bottom mic on the snare? Never. Bottom snare mics sound awful. BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"? Yes, they do sound awful...... by themselves that is.   With support, they're VERY beneficial.

in a dense rock mix, the bottom snare mic gives you the "snare" sound to make the snare drum still sound open.  i haven't found another way of doing that, sans a sample that already has a lot of that sound in it.