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bushwick

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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2008, 05:27:55 pm »

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 09:07

Jonah A. Kort wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 02:39

How many of you all use a bottom mic on the snare?




Never.

Bottom snare mics sound awful.


BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"?



More often than not, I find that I am only reversing polarity. Although on kick and bass DI/Bass amp situations I like the IBP to screw with the phase. Fun shtuff.

And I like me a bottom snare mic. If I want large-marge drum sounds, the beef almost more than the sizzle is what I'm looking for when pulling up le fader on the bottom mic.

Au revoir.
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2008, 09:32:11 pm »

you get beef off the bottom snare mic?
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2008, 11:35:02 pm »

j.hall wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 20:32

you get beef off the bottom snare mic?


And how are you getting said beef?
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2008, 07:31:29 am »

The funny thing is that to begin with, depending on the overhead mic setup, the bottom mic may need to be polarity reversed just because of that. Not as much of an issue, usually though.

But then there are snares where, upon being hit, the bottom skin actually gets sucked in/upwards and thus the "polarity" of the air push/pull is already reversed going into the bottom mic. If you flip the polarity of the bottom mic, it fixes the sum of the top- and bottom mic but suddenly the bottom mic is not properly capturing the movement of the bottom skin. Tricky business.

That's why they do them holes in the side of the snare. Smile

So sometimes you actually need to flip the polarity of the bottom snare due to other reasons than the good old "it's pointing towards the top mic".
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2008, 10:16:33 am »

i've been a drummer since i was 6 years old.  by no means does that make me any kind of expert, but i've never seen, heard, or played a snare drum that created a vacuum on the bottom head from striking the top head.  i'm not a physics professor either, but i'm not sure how that would even work.
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2008, 09:52:48 pm »

You don't have a set of VacuDrums
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2008, 06:23:54 am »

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 06:07

Bottom snare mics sound awful.



But if the top snare mic sounds awful, a bottom snare mic makes a terrific trigger for Drumagog...

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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2008, 11:00:08 am »

I have yet to find the bottom mic not needing its polarity flipped. I've been doing some R&B stuff lately and the bottom mic comes in very handy for getting things to sound "more sample like". Funny that. But its true.
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2008, 08:57:32 am »

I can't find it now, but I've seen quite elaborate explanations documented in both printed form as well as online. Another tidbit is that when striking the top skin, it's moving away from the top mic but then the bottom skin is moving towards the bottom mic, with a smaller vent hole on the side of the snare.
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2008, 09:47:09 am »

I never have to flip the phase of the bottom mic. Don't know why. I mic the snare on top usually just above skin and oriented 100% horizontally across the snare head. I usually DO have to flip the polarity of the bass drum to get in phase with the overheads.
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2009, 11:05:36 pm »

I've always used a bottom snare mic until this week when the guy assisting convinced me to try without! I listened to him since we had a great sound going without it. Come to find out, I do miss it now, but won't die without it.
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2009, 01:36:07 am »

iamryancork wrote on Mon, 19 January 2009 20:05

I've always used a bottom snare mic until this week when the guy assisting convinced me to try without! I listened to him since we had a great sound going without it. Come to find out, I do miss it now, but won't die without it.


It seems to me this a somewhat unexplored area for sample sets-- I suppose they might confuse people by sounding completely unusable on their own, but blended in might be a different story.
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Re: To bottom mic or to not
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2009, 03:38:52 pm »

NelsonL wrote on Tue, 20 January 2009 00:36


It seems to me this a somewhat unexplored area for sample sets-- I suppose they might confuse people by sounding completely unusable on their own, but blended in might be a different story.



Could be true, I don't often use samples but may find myself creating some for this project.
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