grant richard wrote on Thu, 04 September 2008 21:56 |
mgod wrote on Thu, 04 September 2008 23:47 | Handouts are required for salvation.
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You have a distorted view of salvation.
Faith is required for salvation. Period.
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And true faith, to be a christian, is also a matter of deeds, not words. And unless one is a true christian, no salvation is offered. Time to get to work.
Someone said: "Salvation, another good concept, but a simplistic word i try and avoid in tagging myself as a believer. No offense or criticism meant to those who use the term, just using it to illustrate a perspective....... And that is the first dimension of being a christian to me is a personal response to the life and choices made by an individual 2000 years ago that have become more than a merely moral construct for me. This involves more than the words written in the old and new testament fundamentally, (pun intended ) important as they are. It is a response to the notion of being whole, and responsive to a world that has changed as our enlightenment has grown in the areas of human behavior, science and the existence and spirituality of peoples other than those of a Judeo- Christian heritage."
Lotta people have decided that since they believe, that's sufficient, and they don't have to do anything that Jesus talked about, like, oh...love. But there's believing and then there's believing. Not much real belief talked about in America these days. And Jesus didn't discuss abortion. But now we have two pro-choice (anti-life) candidates, but one who is pretending to be otherwise for the moment. Doe anyone really think he's changed his stripes for good?
No one to vote for, for the faux-christians. Abortion is
not a religious issue, that's a fraud. If abortion is your sole concern, better sit this one out. If McCain wins and dies, I suppose President Palin could spend her whole term in office fighting this lost battle, while our economy burns.
In the meantime say that over to yourself: "President Palin". PTA, mayor, governor of a few people, President.
Why vote for Obama? He's bright, he thinks things through, he's not a knee-jerk anything. He believes we can find a way together, despite single-issue voters. Why not vote McCain? Because he's repudiated everything that made a wide variety of people support him in the past just for this shot at the office, and we can expect him to do more of the same in power. If he wins, he'll back-burner his new anti-abortion position for as long as he's there. He doesn't really care about the issue. Most people don't, and he knows that. The anti-abortionists aren't anyone's constituency. Politicians use it to get votes and then drop it. Its a pointless argument, and we make no progress on the real issue or ever even approach having a real conversation because of all the noise raised over this red herring, a phony morality masquerading as a moral issue.
DS