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Barry Hufker

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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2008, 03:00:43 pm »

As a Born Again Christian I would not want, not for one second, to have Palin as VP or P.  Nor McCain.

No less a person that Pat Buchanan thinks Obama "nailed it" during his speech at the Democratic Convention.

BUCHANAN: “I stand with Obama! It was a genuinely outstanding speech, it was magnificent. I saw Cuomo’s speech, I saw Kennedy in ‘80, I even saw Douglas MacArthur, I saw MLK; this is the greatest convention speech and probably the most important because unlike Cuomo and the others, this was an acceptance speech, this came out of the heart of America, and he went right at the heart of America. This wasn’t a liberal speech at all. This is a deeply, deeply centrist speech. It had wit, it had humor, and when he used the needle on McCain, he stuck it into McCain and it was funny. It was Kennedy’s speech in ‘80. I laughed with Kennedy when he was needling Ronald Reagan.”

I don't see Buchanan saying anything like that about Palin... ever...





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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2008, 03:04:36 pm »

RPhilbeck wrote on Sat, 30 August 2008 07:10

J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 29 August 2008 23:03



But the fact that she's an evangelical christian should be enough to want to keep her as far from the office of president as possible.  





Forget about experience and focus on accomplishments.  B.O can't even hold a candle to Palin.  The guy has done zilch.  Furthermore, none of you knew anything about this woman until yesterday, which is not enough time to understand who she is or what she has done.  We've known B.O. for a number of years now and can still see he hasn't done shit.


Obama hasn't done anything? OK, let's just put this ridiculous notion to rest here & now:

Barak Obama's Accomplishments & Career/Bio

- Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend.

- After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

- His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.

- Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.

- Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.

- As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan.

- He traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.

- Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.

- In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.

- Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.

- Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

- Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.

- Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.

- Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law.

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Biography

Barack Obama (born August 4, 1961) is a U.S. Senator from Illinois. He is a member of the main Democratic Party. He has received international media coverage for his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, delivered while he was still an Illinois state senator.

As a senior lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago law school, Obama won the open Senate seat by defeating former ambassador Alan Keyes. He is the only African American who is currently serving in the U.S. Senate, and the fifth in the entire United States history and the third since Reconstruction. The 2004 U.S. Senate election in Illinois made history as the first Senate election to feature black nominees from both major parties. Obama won the election in a landslide, with 70% of the vote to Keyes' 27%. He is junior senator to Richard Durbin.

Obama is married to Michelle Obama, a Chicago native. They have two daughters: Malia Ann (born in 1999) and Natasha (born 2001).



His Early life

Barack Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii to Harvard-educated economist Barack Obama, Sr., a native of Kenya, and S. Ann Dunham, of Kansas. Ms. Dunham is a distant descendant of Jefferson Davis, the first and only president of the Confederate States of America; she is also part Cherokee Indian.

At the time of Obama's birth, both his parents were students at the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. "Barack" means "blessed" in Swahili.

Of his years in Hawaii, Obama has written, "The irony is that my decision to work in politics, and to pursue such a career in a big Mainland city, in some sense grows out of my Hawaiian upbringing, and the ideal that Hawaii still represents in my mind."

When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father eventually returned to Kenya, and he saw his son only once more before his death in 1982. Ann Obama married another East-West Center student from Indonesia. The family then moved to Jakarta, where Obama's half-sister Maya was born (Obama has other half-siblings from his father's later marriages). When Obama was ten he returned to Hawaii under the care of his grandparents, and later his mother, for the better educational opportunities. He was enrolled in the fifth grade at Punahou School, a prestigious academy that once taught the Hawaiian royal family. He graduated with honors.



His College experience and career

Upon finishing high school, Obama studied for two years at Occidental College in California, before transferring to Columbia University in New York City. There he majored in political science, with a specialization in international relations. Upon graduation, he moved to Chicago, where he took up community organizing in the Altgeld Gardens housing project on the city's South Side. While in Chicago, he joined the Trinity United Church of Christ.

He left Chicago for three years to study law at Harvard University, where he was elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated Magna Cum Laude. While working one summer at a corporate law firm in 1989, Obama met Michelle Robinson, whom he married in 1992. Robinson is also a graduate of Harvard Law.

While in Chicago as a community organizer once again, Obama organized an aggressive voter registration effort that aided in the election of President Bill Clinton and Senator Carol Moseley Braun. The campaign registered over 100,000 voters. Soon after, his talents earned him a position at a local civil rights law firm, and he became a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago, where he served as a professor until his election to the U.S. Senate.



Barack Obama and Politics

Illinois General Assembly

In 1996, Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate from the south side neighborhood of Hyde Park, in Chicago. He served as chairman of the Public Health and Welfare Committee when the Democrats regained control of the chamber. The Chicago Tribune called him "one of the General Assembly's most impressive members."

Regarded as a staunch liberal during his tenure in the legislature, he helped to author a state Earned Income Tax Credit which provided benefits to the working poor. He also worked for legislation that would cover residents who could not afford health insurance. Speaking up for leading gay and lesbian advocacy groups, he successfully helped pass bills to increase funding for AIDS prevention and care programs.

In 2000, he ran unsuccessfully in the Democratic primary for Illinois' 1st Congressional district against incumbent Representative Bobby Rush.

After the loss, Obama rededicated his efforts to the state Senate. He authored one of the most progressive death penalty reform laws in the nation, under the guidance of his mentor, former U.S. Senator Paul Simon. He also pushed through legislation that would force insurance companies to cover routine mammograms.


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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2008, 03:06:32 pm »

Here's Karl Rove arguing why Palin shouldn't be VP.

These are Rove's remarks when he thought Tim Kaine would be Obama's VP choice:

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he’s been a governor for three years, he’s been able but undistinguished. I don’t think people could really name a big, important thing that he’s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it’s smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona; north Las Vegas or Henderson, Nevada. It’s not a big town. So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I’m really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?"

From Crooks And Liars (crooksandliars.com):

As we now know, Barack Obama chose Joe Biden as his VP, probably the least political choice he could have made, and probably the best governing choice he could have made. John McCain, on the other hand, is the one who made the “intensely political choice” by choosing Sara Palin — a political newcomer and self-described “hockey mom” who has less than two years of governing experience and ZERO foreign policy experience — all because the political winds dictated that “change” was going to trump “experience” this election.
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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2008, 03:22:16 pm »

I was born the same year as Obama and while I feel that I've done alright, I haven't accomplished a 10th of what he has.  Can any of you say that you have?

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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2008, 03:43:38 pm »

Barry Hufker wrote on Sat, 30 August 2008 12:00



I don't see Buchanan saying anything like that about Palin... ever...


Actually, Barry, Pat's been raving about her.  They go back, and he is very fond of her.

But here's a good list of things to consider about her:

Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:

She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

She sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.
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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2008, 04:11:57 pm »

"Actually, Barry, Pat's been raving about her. They go back, and he is very fond of her."

Poop.

Well, what the fuck does Buchanan know anyway??!!

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« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2008, 06:24:32 pm »

It's all quite simple, really.

All of the Usual Suspects (Romney, Pawlenty, Lieberman, Huckabee, St. Rudy, possibly Liddy Dole, etc.) were offered the job, perhaps even in that order.

And all turned it down. Flatly.

While one can call Republicans lots of things, they are not stupid. And they rightly see McCain's Quixotic campaign as a lost cause (no offense intended to de Cervante's knight errant; is Palin REALLY Sancho?) and they figure that it's better to run for President in 2012 without being tainted as the losing Veep option in 2008.

So they dig up a last-string option from the hinterlands, who is palatable only to the far-right wingnuts who'd otherwise stay home on 4 November. The "cover story" is that she "appeals to the disgruntled Hillary supporters" who exist only in the right-wing media's deranged mind, but in fact they're sending her out there to "Take one for the team" so the starting line-up can rest up for the next game.

And when the election is over, she'll return to Alaska to face impeachment.

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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2008, 06:35:08 pm »

mgod wrote on Sat, 30 August 2008 13:50

In this photo she's supposed to be 7 months pregnant

  http://www.adn.com/politics/v-gallery/story/339576.html?/pol itics/v-enlarge/story/339576-a339575-t3.html

One of the daughter at the same time :

  http://bp2.blogger.com/_eeBrCFDUUOc/R9SMzjkqrLI/AAAAAAAAAUw/ thEnzs9T7GY/s1600-h/PalinFamily.jpg


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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2008, 11:04:33 pm »

Berolzheimer wrote on Fri, 29 August 2008 13:16

...please don't use the term "pro-life".  We're all pro life, of course.  Call them what they are that's different than the general public, which is "anti -choice".

Not at all. It's actually very pro-choice to understand that everyone - even the unborn - should one day be able to make all of the choices you and I both do.
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« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2008, 11:14:11 pm »

I love how "pro-life" people tend to also be pro death penalty.  A lot of them were pro invading Iraq, too.  

You know, I honestly don't give a shit when the people think life begins, but don't want them to legislate it, and impose their religious beliefs on people that don't share them ... especially if they are going to be hypocritical about which lives are worth saving.  

Bill Hicks had it right, as far as I'm concerned: Life doesn't begin until you're in the phone book.
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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2008, 11:17:36 pm »

I like to say that Texans are in favor of a 75th trimester abortion, and not a month earlier.
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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2008, 11:36:19 pm »

J.J. Blair wrote on Sat, 30 August 2008 22:14

I love how "pro-life" people tend to also be pro death penalty.


And I love how everyone who is pro-choice misses the beginning of human life (that's us) but wants to talk to me about the lives of owls and trees.

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You know, I honestly don't give a shit when the people think life begins, but don't want them to legislate it...

Isn't it interesting that every time a pregnant woman is murdered that there are 2 counts of murder?  Who else was victimized?

Say all you will about Sarah Palin.  Compare her's and her daughter's bodies all you want (seriously?).  Any person or any family that knows that they are having a down's syndrome baby and welcomes that child into the world with loving arms deserves our respect.

I don't make it to the saloon too often but I'll give you one thing JJ.  The Bill Maher quote in your signature is dead on.
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« Reply #72 on: August 31, 2008, 01:12:44 am »

I am anti-abortion but I also know people.  You can't legislate morality.  You can't deny birth control and tell people just to say "no" - it isn't going to (and doesn't) work.  If abortion is outlawed, then only the wealthy who can afford real medical care will find it for their abortions while the poor will but stuck with a back alley abortion by a butcher or will raise another child the parents can't afford.

In that regard I am pro-choice.  I don't care about saving owls or trees but I do care about the poorly educated; the middle-class; the homeless; the immigrant; U.S. jobs; the family; treating our military with respect by not sending them to die for oil, KBR, Blackwater and Haliburton; our flag; our country; our future.

And you know what?  Republicans don't.  If they did there wouldn't be:
1. every child left behind
2. US jobs sent overseas
3. a lending industry filled with mortgage fraud
4. filthy military hospitals, Republican votes against an updated and improved G.I. bill
5. the invasion of a sovereign nation in an effort to seize its oil
6. treason by the VP and P as they outed an active covert CIA agent, Valerie Plame
7. VP and P approved torture/war crimes
8. human trafficking by HBR (unchecked by our government)
9. Blackwater running lawless in Iraq
10. scandal after scandal, corruption after corruption
   A. Ted Stevens in Alaska
   B. Abramhoff
   C. The call girl scandal
   D. the hypocrisy of the homophobic evangelical preacher who  hired a gay prostititute
   E. the hypocrisy of the homophobic Republican senator who indulges in indiscriminate gay sex in public, airport restrooms.
   F. Pedophile Republican Senators having sex with underage Senate pages.
   G. A current Republican presidential candidate (McCain) with 150 special interest lobbyists running his campaign.

I can go on but what's the point?  Republicans talk the talk and never walk the walk.  They'll legislate to try to get you to do what they want but they'll never do it themselves.

When it comes to politics and genuine care for the people on this earth, a great many of my brothers and sisters in Christ are full of shit.

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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #73 on: August 31, 2008, 01:21:13 am »

B-dog puttin the hammer down.
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Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick
« Reply #74 on: August 31, 2008, 01:23:29 am »

I know!  He can be such a shit sometimes!!

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