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amorris

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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2008, 12:09:32 PM »

Good examples JJ. and no, the first one doesnt even hightlight the parts of the song that are there. thats producing. Im waiting for the cool b section in the first onen on scecond listen and its there, under crap production. I always say that good engineering and production adds legs to a product. the first one sounds great to the band and their groupies now, but after 50 listens? theyll even hear the crappiness. by then its too late.

my example of the day is "feul" by metallica. arguably (by me at least) the toughest song they got. listen to it lately? me neither. self produced. too bad cause it is f-ing tough! black album plays like its new.
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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2008, 12:51:24 PM »

J.J. Blair wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 16:42

Sam, before you say that asking to take your name off is hypocritical, you need to have all the information..................                      
........................................Sorry that you find it hypocritical.  

JJ, my comment was not aimed at you at all!!!  And I certainly don't find anything hypocritical in this situation, I would have done the same thing.  My comment was general, and was made because I've read and heard some people saying they'll work on a project they hate, take the clients money and then ask for their names not to be included in the credits; and that, I find hypocritical.  

I had a weird situation two years ago where I forced a French, reggae band to remove my name from the CD's credit list;  They had me listed as co-mixer and/or mix consultant, when all I did was pop into the studio while they were mixing to say hello and listen to a couple of songs that were already mixed....Oh yeah, they did ask my advice about how to get the kick and bass to sit well in the track they were mixing at the time. The band had originally asked me to produce and engineer the album, but I declined because of previous engagements.  Coincidentally, I happened to be working in the same studio complex where they were mixing and they asked me to stop over one day.  The CD had been released when I discovered what they did.  
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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2008, 12:51:40 PM »

marcel wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 11:06




And I don't buy that 'producers are evil' thing so much these days...  Steve's assessment is based on an old paradigm of big label domination and unit sales as the measure of success, which I just don't think is valid any more...



it was ALWAYS nonsense.


in the heyday of big budget/big label 'domination':
Mike Chapman
Roy Thomas Baker
Chris Thomas
Gus Dudgeon
Jimmy Miller
Tom Dowd

please point out the "evil" producer


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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2008, 02:03:34 PM »

The problem isn't evil producers, it's the fact that a lot of people call themselves a producer when they shouldn't.

Two of those ersatz producer fucktards called me yesterday and tried to beat me up over money when they are completely unaware of my room, gear and skills as an engineer. When one is ignorant price can seem more important. Respect for what it takes to run a fairly maintained room and gear is not even a part of their lexicon.

Tommy did work on the A-Bomb William, but he's only the second half of evil-genius in my book.



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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2008, 02:44:05 PM »

Fibes wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 19:03

it's the fact that a lot of people call themselves a producer when they shouldn't.

A lot of people call themselves all kinds of things when they shouldn't in this business......well, in every business in fact.
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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2008, 03:36:32 PM »

Samc wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 14:44

Fibes wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 19:03

it's the fact that a lot of people call themselves a producer when they shouldn't.

A lot of people call themselves all kinds of things when they shouldn't in this business......well, in every business in fact.


Thanks for restating the obvious.


My card simply states "Factotum" below my name and number.




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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2008, 03:45:00 PM »

Fibes wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 12:36


My card simply states "Factotum" below my name and number.



Ha.  I like it.

I briefly considered giving myself the title "Polymath", but decided that the card format was probably incapable of transmitting the required amount of sarcasm.
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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2008, 03:55:54 PM »

Good stuff.

I've wanted to put "Simulant" as title on my business cards. I once had "Four Dimensional" as title, but that was actually put there by my boss at the time.
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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2008, 04:11:54 PM »

Fibes wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 20:36


My card simply states "Factotum" below my name and number.

I don't even have a card.
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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2008, 05:45:02 PM »



My card has my name and phone number (aside from the studio logo) and nothing else.

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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2008, 06:13:16 PM »

Fibes wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 14:03

The problem isn't evil producers, it's the fact that a lot of people call themselves a producer when they shouldn't.





well THAT'S true.

but then the same could be said certainly for "engineers"

and perhaps musicians and songwriters.

someone still has to decide to HIRE someone else.


But anyway, that's a lot different from the attitude that ANY producer is intrinsically doing 'evil' to the artiste.
"inflicting production"


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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2008, 06:56:04 PM »

 a moment of levity...

i think "Inflicting Production" woudl be a great name for a band!

back to the topic at hand
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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2008, 03:30:37 PM »

Some are afflicted by production...

Hell I dunno - I just try and make it better.  And it's not as if I get called by terrible bands all the time.  I don't care if they're great - I still think of ways to make it better.  If I fail - at least it's still great.

I don't have much experience working with people who aren't top-notch.  For some reason they just don't call me.

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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2008, 11:37:31 AM »

All I know is that everytime I see this thread, the song "When A Man Loves A Woman", is stuck in my head all day...
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Re: when an artist needs a producer
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2008, 04:13:07 PM »

wwittman wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 09:51

marcel wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 11:06




And I don't buy that 'producers are evil' thing so much these days...  Steve's assessment is based on an old paradigm of big label domination and unit sales as the measure of success, which I just don't think is valid any more...



it was ALWAYS nonsense.


in the heyday of big budget/big label 'domination':
Mike Chapman
Roy Thomas Baker
Chris Thomas
Gus Dudgeon
Jimmy Miller
Tom Dowd

please point out the "evil" producer





Perhaps these would not have been the guys that a big label would have 'inflicted' on a new band, LOL.

When thinking of records that 'don't sound like the band', I would point to Nevermind as a favorite example.  However, I have read that (during production) the band was just as keen on the producer and mixer as the label was in this case.  It was only later (many, many units later) that Cobain expressed dissatisfaction at the sound of the record.  The fact that I find that the production overwhelms the music is really just a matter of taste, I guess...


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