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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 12:36:31 am »

What he said. . .
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 01:04:46 am »

I had a last minute work so i could not get time to finish my mix. i have to finish automation and balance the vocal to make it really in your face but not isolated from the rest of the track. i wont upload my mix because i follow the rules.
But i will review your mixes and check them against mine.
Pretty good song, it remind me nick cave in a good way.

Gabriel Fonts.
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 06:33:43 am »

Who are the band and the engineer on this?

I didn't submit an entry, but I enjoyed mixing it. I really like the song. Overall good engineering, too.

Paul

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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2008, 07:30:47 am »

These are some really quick and dirty comments on the mixes:

Antman
Separation an definition could use more work. Balance is ok.

Carefulcolapse
Bass sounds like it's holding back. Lead vocal lacks ambience/space. Guitar on the left sounds as if the speaker is broken. Drums are dull compared to the guitars and vocal.

Chrissilett
Big verb on vox. Drums are low and hi heavy and lack body. Guitars are too soft for my taste. Lacks beef. If you put the bg vox this loud they need some tuning.

DBallenger
Not digging the shifted timings and arrangement edits. Balance is off.

DevinK
Cool intro. Drum ambience is very obvious and panned unnatural. The clean repeated guitar 'sample' doesn't work esp the sound of it, too poky. You lost me because the mix choices you made don't make it sound as if I have a real band in front of me.

ElDuderino
Sounds good.

GrantRichard
Good beefy drums. Good balance, I'd like more guitar.

GT
Acoustic guitar tone sounds shortened. Reamped lead guitar sounds awful. Drums are good. Ending is a mess.

Huds
Mix lacks power. Balance is good.

Jason Thompson
Shifted lead vox. Bass is low heavy but lacks presence. Very dull.

JDier
Drums pack punch but lack body and are a bit harsh. Good guitars except the right chorus lead one.

JNickel
Acoustic sounds as if the strings have magically aged ten years. Snaredrum could use more snaresound (bottom). More guitars in chorus please.

Loudsongsinc
Kick &Snare drums in intro sound roomless. Don't like the eq on the kick. Chorus guitars lack body. Balance is good.

Maxim
Cool intro. Sounds good. I'd like more presence in the dist guitars. The space guitar at the end doesn't do it for me, rather use the room to beef up the real guitars.

MDifazio
Yuk, as if I need to pop my ears. This mix sucks hard, sorry man.

MGA
Harsh and lacking body esp the snare.

MGT
Drums sound very compressed and sound small because of that. The mids and highs hurt my ears.

MSE
Balance is good. Sounds could use some more eq work.

Osumosan
Bassguitar is all stringsound and no bass, this takes up much space in the mix. Reamped guitar sound bad. Drums are good.

Podgorny
Ambience of the drums (the lack of) is weird. Then there's the clean git that drowns in reverb. Balance is good. Sounds are good. I'd like a natural space.

Rankus
Very dry. Could use some reverb to glue it all together. Apart from that I like this one.

Slash5969
Out of control kick with loads of artifacts. The compressor abuse (in a bad way) ruins it for me.

Spoon
Lacks a binding ambience esp the snare sound.  Vocal sounds far away. Could use more body and tamed hi-mids.

Stillwell
The reverb on the kick muddies the low end. Too much compression, sounds get small. More guitar in the chorus please.

Teleric
Drums lack ambience or maybe I need some adjusting after Stillwells megaverb. Good sounds and balance.

YZ
Nice full leadvox, this is the only vox of all mixes I really liked. Drums are a bit thin in comparison. Guitar solo is too loud. Good mix.


Take care Cool
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2008, 07:34:06 am »

ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:30

These are some really quick and dirty comments on the mixes:

GrantRichard
Good beefy drums. Good balance, I'd like more guitar.




Hey,
Thanks!  I'm glad somebody liked my supersized drums. Smile  Where would have preferred more guitar?  Chorus, verse, solo?  All of the above?

Thanks for the comments!

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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2008, 07:43:16 am »

Since I messed up big time on the last IMP, and therefore didn't comment here are some reviews (maybe I'm gonna do the rest that I missed too later on), tried something new and blind listend. As always it's just my opinion.

Chrisilett
Vocals are a tad too wet (for my taste) ... it's okay in the chorus later in the song, though a bit too much in the intro
Nice snare
Maybe a tad more stereo spread
The kick in that part right after the quite "doo ya"s is a bit too heavy imo, it almost hurts, but I guess that was your intention, either way it's nice'n'hard but just doesn't fit right IMO
But overall a decent mix with good balance

Maxim
Too bassy, thus it sounds a bit muddy to my ears
Except for that pretty solid

Antman
Good mix

Carefulcollapse
Much compression, especially snare
Missing the dynamics
Maybe Cymbals a tad too loud
Sibiliance of bkg vox ("doo ya") too loud

DevinK
Where did you get that organ from in the intro?
The percussivness of the lick guitar is nice but at the edge of being too much
Overall nice mix, but where did you get the those organ sounds from?

Grant Richard
That drums rip ... which isn't Particularly good in this song IMO
The "duh ya"s sound very lofi
So once the guitars kicked in an the dominant drums got less dominant it was a good mix

Huds
Acoustic too loud IMO
Good mix

MGA
Cymbals too loud
Snare too loud, nice crack though
(hehe I got the feeling this is my mix ... anyway let's go on)
Well since it's my mix it is of course perfect ... not

MGT
Kick too loud/strong/in-your-face
Do I hear some pumping around the middle of the song (where it get's LOUD)?

Patrikt
Nice warm acoustic
The kick is seriously not good, it's supposed to have 0 (zero) stereo spread and be centered while this is all over the place
OHs too loud

Podgorny
Drums muffled, no sparkle in the snare
Whats that chiwawa barking kind'a sound in the left channel (at around 1:02 in the song)

[Okay just some more until my ears start to bleed]

ATOR
The drums hit hard, like sad before might not suit the song well IMO
Muffled too

Osumosan
Nice warm verb on the drums, though I like my drums more direct
Vox in the intro could be a bit dryer
Lick guitar could be a louder
Less reverb on the lick guitar

Slash
Too much lowend
Drums got no stereo spread
The whole thing seems very thightly compressed
The vocal effect track is too loud, IMO it should be more subtle

Stillwell (btw thx for pointing my to this project)
Good hard kick, maybe a tad too much
Too much reverb on the vocals
Overall too much reverb, sounds like recorded in a chapel
Good balance overall though

Jason Thompson
Lofi sound
Vocals are burried

JNickel
Snares lacking highend
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2008, 07:46:18 am »

grant richard wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 13:34

ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:30

These are some really quick and dirty comments on the mixes:

GrantRichard
Good beefy drums. Good balance, I'd like more guitar.




Hey,
Thanks!  I'm glad somebody liked my supersized drums. Smile  Where would have preferred more guitar?  Chorus, verse, solo?  All of the above?

Thanks for the comments!



I'd like to get the feeling that the guitars in the chorus are bigger.
You could simply turn 'em up in the chorus or automate levels so that when I get to the chorus there's a big guitar level contrast with what is before so I know I'm at the chorus.
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2008, 08:23:15 am »

MGAudio wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:43

Since I messed up big time on the last IMP, and therefore didn't comment here are some reviews (maybe I'm gonna do the rest that I missed too later on), tried something new and blind listend. As always it's just my opinion.

Grant Richard
That drums rip ... which isn't Particularly good in this song IMO
The "duh ya"s sound very lofi
So once the guitars kicked in an the dominant drums got less dominant it was a good mix




Thanks for the comments!  Good observation on the "doo-ya's".  Lofi is what I intended.

I'm of the opinion that since this song doesn't have a whole lot going for it that something needed to slam.  I opted for drums and vocals.  IMO, the guitars are kind of uninteresting (except for the solo), so I wanted something else to make the song more interesting.  

I plan to post comments on this IMP's mixes soon, as I have not participated as of late.  
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2008, 08:24:28 am »

ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:46

grant richard wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 13:34

ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:30

These are some really quick and dirty comments on the mixes:

GrantRichard
Good beefy drums. Good balance, I'd like more guitar.




Hey,
Thanks!  I'm glad somebody liked my supersized drums. Smile  Where would have preferred more guitar?  Chorus, verse, solo?  All of the above?

Thanks for the comments!



I'd like to get the feeling that the guitars in the chorus are bigger.
You could simply turn 'em up in the chorus or automate levels so that when I get to the chorus there's a big guitar level contrast with what is before so I know I'm at the chorus.


OK, I see your point and agree that the chorus could lift harder.  Thanks again for the comments!
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2008, 10:45:09 am »

ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:30


Jason Thompson
Shifted lead vox. Bass is low heavy but lacks presence. Very dull.



Yup. Shifted lead vox.  Laughing I still like it.  Rolling Eyes

Yes, the bass was a problem to me. I killed it with the LA4. I noticed more and more later, but hey... I had no time to fix anything. It was a first time Johnny, then out the door.

Thanks for the listen.


MGAudio wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:43


Jason Thompson
Lofi sound
Vocals are burried



Brother. I think you MAY have some monitoring issues. I mean, there were a number of times when you commented on drums being "muffled" that I didn't understand. A couple "a little too much" on some high freq or mid where I thought it was outrageous.

I totally agree with the lo-fi sound. That's what I thought the track wanted. I found that just turning up the trebble on the stereo really opened it up without anything really standing out (except the 9-10k spit on the vocal from my affinity of overly compressed vox... but that's another story). I try to mix even. I'm no ME and I don't trust my ears or equipment for that type of fine tuning. My school of thought is if you make it sound perfect and badass in your room... unless it's perfect... it will be a nightmare for the ME. I just use the force and be the ball... na na na na na. I still am getting to know the new room too.

Thank you for the comments and taking your time out to listen.
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2008, 11:07:41 am »

PaulyD wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 05:33

Who are the band and the engineer on this?

I didn't submit an entry, but I enjoyed mixing it. I really like the song. Overall good engineering, too.

Paul


Overall engineering was not bad, but not good.  There were too many clipped tracks.  That should never happen these days.

Regards,
David
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2008, 11:13:04 am »

2nd.

Although, I would have to say that it was a bit the performances as well.

Heavy on the crashes, vocal mic technique, tuning on the bass, etc.
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2008, 12:10:15 pm »

J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 10:13

2nd.

Although, I would have to say that it was a bit the performances as well.

Heavy on the crashes, vocal mic technique, tuning on the bass, etc.


I hear ya.

But isnt that the engineer's job....to have the gain set for such things.  Especially in a studio situation where the song was done at least twice and a gain range can be determined.


Cheers,
David
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2008, 12:17:15 pm »

spoon wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 11:10

J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 10:13

2nd.

Although, I would have to say that it was a bit the performances as well.

Heavy on the crashes, vocal mic technique, tuning on the bass, etc.


I hear ya.

But isnt that the engineer's job....to have the gain set for such things.  Especially in a studio situation where the song was done at least twice and a gain range can be determined.


Cheers,
David


It was in addition to what you said.  Smile
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2008, 01:05:52 pm »

BTW, did you get new monitors, or did you mix this in a different space than you normally use?


J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 11:17

spoon wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 11:10

J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 10:13

2nd.

Although, I would have to say that it was a bit the performances as well.

Heavy on the crashes, vocal mic technique, tuning on the bass, etc.


I hear ya.

But isnt that the engineer's job....to have the gain set for such things.  Especially in a studio situation where the song was done at least twice and a gain range can be determined.


Cheers,
David


It was in addition to what you said.  Smile

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