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j.hall

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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #135 on: July 16, 2008, 01:21:21 pm »

J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 11:59

J.

Your mix definitely has the "J.Hall" print on it.



hard for me to avoid.....in fact, it's literally IMPOSSIBLE.

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You had to have used a sample on the kick, huh? Not only was that big and solid, but it didn't have the little "double taps" from the beater. I put a gate on mine, but that one sounds great.



um, it's safe to say that EVERY mix you ever hear of mine has a replaced or blended  kick sample.  and i did do this mix............

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For my taste, the snare was too even for me. I like the snare hitting a little above everything on this one.



well, there's no accounting for taste!

hitting above?  you mean my snare (which is not a sample, nor did i blend a sample) is not loud enough?????  surely you aren't serious.....

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That's your drum buss sound, though and it does sound nice, even, and under control.



not sure what my "drum buss" is.  i don't sub the drums, never have, can't see myself doing either.

nice, even, and under control.......well, if you want your mix to have any semblance of balance, you'll have to have that list.  although, "nice" is something i try to avoid.  i actually go for "aggressive", even and under control.

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Why did everybody decide on the Depeche Mode "Personal Jesus" delayed guitar?



if the shoe fits........

my mentor once said, "cliche exists for a reason........don't always fight cliche, it's already been accepted by the market"

it's not my job to re-invent the wheel.  nor is it my job to deal out any "surprises" from the mix.  it's the band's job to deal out all the "surprises" and it is my job to capitalize on what the band does.

this was a simple rock tune.  a throw back rock tune.  i gave it a "modern" feel and honored it's motivations.  oddly enough, my mix is very similar to Jim's which i had not heard till after mine was finished.

only reason i used delay on that guitar part was i thought the tone was pretty boring, and i wanted to give the part a more expansive feel.
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J-Texas

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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #136 on: July 16, 2008, 01:54:13 pm »

As far as the snare goes... no, it didn't hit hard enough for me. It's a part of your compression taste (there's no accounting for taste, right?) I would have liked more peaks, that were wrangled in by the compression. This song, IMO, sounded cool with it snappy and over everything else. Is yours aggressive, well yes, of course. It doesn't always sit out front, which is where I liked it on this song.

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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #137 on: July 16, 2008, 02:07:53 pm »

J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 12:54

 It doesn't always sit out front, which is where I liked it on this song.





you can blame the drummer for that, or me for deciding to not use a sample.

my snare has no impact?

is your control room scooped out in the mids?
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #138 on: July 16, 2008, 02:17:31 pm »

j-texas......

you mix is very dark.  problem is, the vocal is close to bright enough.  so mastering will make your vocal paper thin just to get the music where it needs to be.

the only reason your snare has more punch then mine is that the top end of mine is present and accounted for.  your kick is getting swallowed up in that giant low mid mess of a bass guitar.

guitars have no bite

i won't even comment on the vocal move.

this mix sounds like i have my ear plugs in (the cheap foam ones)


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J-Texas

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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #139 on: July 16, 2008, 02:19:37 pm »

Brodie, check it.

I didn't say it didn't have impact. I would just like it louder ok?  Twisted Evil

As far as my room? I'm in a bedroom with 703 hanging on the wall, listening on NS10s. How much more fucked up could it be? Don't answer that... you've heard all of my previous IMPs.

Serously though. The speakers are right in my face and I listened for all of my crits on my T20s. I know how they act.

Mr. J.

You're not above criticism are you?  Rolling Eyes
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #140 on: July 16, 2008, 02:21:21 pm »

j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:17

j-texas......

you mix is very dark.  problem is, the vocal is close to bright enough.  so mastering will make your vocal paper thin just to get the music where it needs to be.

the only reason your snare has more punch then mine is that the top end of mine is present and accounted for.  your kick is getting swallowed up in that giant low mid mess of a bass guitar.

guitars have no bite

i won't even comment on the vocal move.

this mix sounds like i have my ear plugs in (the cheap foam ones)





Noted. Stored. Processed. Agreed.  
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #141 on: July 16, 2008, 02:21:29 pm »

J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:19



You're not above criticism are you?  Rolling Eyes


not even close.  i'm also not below disagreeing.


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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #142 on: July 16, 2008, 02:23:14 pm »

j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:21

J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:19



You're not above criticism are you?  Rolling Eyes


not even close.  i'm also not below disagreeing.





Laughing  Neither am I man!
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #143 on: July 16, 2008, 02:32:42 pm »

YZ wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 08:29

Fiasco wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 07:35

rankus wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 18:50



IMO There was no great acting on this imp  (including my own mix BTW) only over acting.


I feel a mix should represent the song, not present itself as a separate identity.

With the exception of a few, these IMP mixes are overdone.



While I agree with with both about what happened in general terms on this IMP, I disagree about my mix; I do not feel I've overdone anything...



Perhaps you were one of the few. Razz
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #144 on: July 16, 2008, 02:34:30 pm »

J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:23



Laughing  Neither am I man!


that is abundantly clear in this thread alone.
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #145 on: July 16, 2008, 02:35:05 pm »

J-Texas wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 00:35


J.NICKEL – That’s cool on the acoustic. That f’ing cymbal thing is like someone kicking me in the nuts and spitting in my face. A little de-essing on the vox. Good drum compression. I like this as a dark mix. Bass guitar gets kind of honky once in awhile. You left it dull. I like that. That’s what I was going for too. Nice BGV’s. This would open up very awesome with a shelf around 12k and up I think. Good mids.









Thank´s for all your comments.
When I review my Mix now, it´s a bit honky I admit. I had like two hours  and wanted to ride the Lead vox, but I had only one try . and that is why it got buried later in the Song.I didn´t use a deesser on the Lead vox-
I simply forgot the "noodling" lead guitar but I still don´t miss it.
I would have done some bass guitar editing if i had the time.
Looking forward to the next imp.

JNickel


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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #146 on: July 16, 2008, 02:45:38 pm »

j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:34

J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:23



Laughing  Neither am I man!


that is abundantly clear in this thread alone.


I miss Vlad. No matter how one came across, you didn't really notice it. Kind of like Studiojimi.
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #147 on: July 16, 2008, 02:54:12 pm »

j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 07:27

NelsonL wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 18:04



I assume you (J dot) were too busy or didn't read that part of my email? I had my mix done early but was camping on the due date.




OH MAN.  1 part forgot, one part too busy.  i even had the track ready to upload for you.

SORRY!!!!

we'll start another one really soon.


No worries my brother.
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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #148 on: July 16, 2008, 04:08:24 pm »

I love this forum.

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Re: imp19 discussion
« Reply #149 on: July 16, 2008, 05:01:26 pm »

Fiasco wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 19:32

YZ wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 08:29



While I agree with with both about what happened in general terms on this IMP, I disagree about my mix; I do not feel I've overdone anything...



Perhaps you were one of the few. Razz



i would agree that most of the mixes were overdone, in some form or another. i liked yz's though!
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