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[Plush]

We can advise you that the latest range of Yamaha consoles
is MUCH improved over the original 02R. We are using a Yamaha DM1000 here for our digital console. We also have a Neve.
In the new Yamaha range, mic pres are much improved and are good. A/D and D/A conversion are very much better than older models as are the on board effects.

I hear George's comment about customer support. However, I think that with the reasonable cost of the Yamaha consoles, it is not such a bad thing. Should one hold Yamaha ($5000 purchase) to the same standard as Neve (750,000 purchase)?

Deutsche Grammophon recently converted to all Yamaha consoles for location/edit work. Although they may be modified, I feel it is an endorsement from a quality oriented organization.

   

[Rob Darling]

One of my clients recently switched from the O2R to the DM-2000.  I hate it.  It sounds much better, but the user interface is an absolute abortion and it is completely hamstrung on analog output- just 8 sends.  As much experience as I have with the O2R, I can't wade through the DM-2000 at gunpoint.

If you need a desk, I think the Sony is a far superior piece of equipment, though I'd put my money into an Accel upgrade before the June 30th deadline.  Money spent with Digi is still the best investment in digital and with PDC, mixes are much, much better, not to mention the upgrade you'll get in convertor quality.

[Alécio Costa - Brazil]

Many different opinions. This is pretty cool.but in my case changing the daw and keeping the same a/d.. I dunno...
Anyone else has experience with the 02r 96?mix /hd?
 

[Bill Mueller]

Rob,

Sorry to hear your problem getting in sync with the DM2000. I was leery at first because I was so used to Solid State Logic consoles but it took very little time to get used to the machine. Not that I don't have suggestions for Yamaha to improve the interface. The fader/encoder buttons should be down at a much easier place to reach because you use them constantly and have to reach up over the faders to get to them.

You can add as many analog outputs as you want by installing very inexpensive my8 cards. Check it out if you feel you need more analog outs. One of the beautiful things about this desk is its customization capability.

Buying a Sony desk at this time is not a good idea. I have heard some nasty rumors regarding its continuation. It is not the desk the Yamaha is anyway. As I have said before, just the mic pres, effects, patching, multi mixing, matrixing, surround monitoring and surround processing are worth the money.

The 96k capability should keep it current for a very long time as well. I know it was a good investment for me.

Best Regards,

Bill

[Marc]

Alecio,
I'm in a similar spot. I have 2 studios, #1 with PT Mix Plus (running on an old 9600!) and an O2R, and #2 with PT Mix (running on a G4) and an O2R. After much consideration, I've decided (I think) to take advantage of the Digidesign trade-in and go with PT HD Accel 3 (G5 dual 2 or 2.5) in Studio 1 with a DM 2000. That will just about break our bank so in Studio 2 we are going to upgrade to PT HD Accel 2 (G5 Dual 1.8 old, or 2.0) and (for the while) keep the O2R.
At the first chance I get, I'll replace the O2R in #2 with the DM 1000.
I'll be interested in hearing what you decide to do.

[Alécio Costa - Brazil]

HI, Marc
I am still inclined to go in the 02R 96 direction.
The HD Accel upgrade is still too expensive in Brazil. Just to upgrade my Mix Plus + 1 adat bridge to HD Accel2 + 96 I/o or 192 I/O digital I will pay more than 50% of the price of an 02R 96.
And I do not see a big reason going to Accel and staying with the 20 bit limited a/d of the 02R.
What are your thoughts my friend?
Thanks and nice week to all

[Marc]

Alecio,
I understand your dilemma. And given the same circumstances, I'd probably do the same thing.
Our concern was that we will become "orphaned" on an old PT system with no reasonable, cost effective way to become current. It's still a LOT of money for a small company like ours, but the thought of spending an additional $15,000 - 18,000 (on both studios) put the PT upgrade as a higher priority than the O2R (at least in studio 2).
BTW, thanks for all of your great questions and comments on these boards. over the years I've become a professional lurker on these boards and genuinely appreciate those who are more brave than I am about speaking their minds.
Thanks,

[drew]

robdarling@mail.com wrote on Fri, 04 June 2004 09:51

One of my clients recently switched from the O2R to the DM-2000.  I hate it.  It sounds much better, but the user interface is an absolute abortion and it is completely hamstrung on analog output- just 8 sends.  As much experience as I have with the O2R, I can't wade through the DM-2000 at gunpoint. If you need a desk, I think the Sony is a far superior piece of equipment, though I'd put my money into an Accel upgrade before the June 30th deadline.  Money spent with Digi is still the best investment in digital and with PDC, mixes are much, much better, not to mention the upgrade you'll get in convertor quality.

I agree completely...  DM on paper is amazing, in use? annoying.

I own a DMX and use a DM2000 almost daily, so I know them both pretty well. Only buy the Sony if it does what you need now (and can get a deal) and don't expect any further development because Sony is basically out of Pro Audio. The Sony used will be about half of what the Yamama cost. I'm also a PTHD2 owner and I'd say to go that way if you can swing it. PTHD with George's EQ and the Oxford stuff, the Cranesong Phoenix, the URS EQs, etc is hard to beat for compatibility, flexibility, and sound, yes sound.

also, people love to bash digi but who else does the hardware exchanges like they do????? who else will give you roughly used market value for last generation hardware??
drew

[Alécio Costa - Brazil]

yes, Drew, you got the point... Digi gear keeps a value, better than nothing for sure.
What digi needs to do to have more people going HD is to provide more plugs with their bundles. There are still many studios using those damn [k]s under OS 9.2
Marc, many thanks for your words. I am login in at your nice page soon