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maxim

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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2008, 09:26:03 PM »

brad wrote:

"maxim - ...mix very dark..."

it was half-deliberate

obviously, i want to get it as close to finished as possible, but, if pushed, i'd rather have the mix too dark than too bright for the ME

would you be able to fix it in mastering?


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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2008, 09:56:07 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 18:03

My point is this: if you asked 100 people if your mix was too dark and bass heavy, I'll bet 95 (or more) of the them would answer 'yes'.


This was funny. Humorous (in a so true it hurts sort of way).

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 18:13

J-Texas wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 17:34

With all of the "loudness wars" and trends... I would argue that most people don't know what "good" is.

If you wish to reduce my judgement of your mix by saying this, fine. I suggest you need to listen to your mix again and try to be more objective...


This point had NOTHING to do with my mix bro'.

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 19:00

Good is so 1978. Razz

I think I was 1 year old back then.


You don't know how old you are?  Very Happy
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2008, 10:41:22 PM »

[Edit: Never mind, I'm done.]
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2008, 11:06:13 PM »

There is something that's not being discussed at all.

There is a limit that a mix can be pushed before losing the music, band, song or message.  In fact it can be worse when someone misses the point entirely and depends on an effect to ground a song.  Some of the mixes I listened too, didn't even begin to identify with what the band was delivering and instead decided that they needed to make a statement with an effect or "avenue" that they(the mixer) decided to go down.  

You have to respect that in some way, shape or form that the music is the most important part as well as the people who are performing it.  How can you as an artist or engineer deliver that message to even more people than they could, with out diluting the content.

I thought this was the perfect exercise to match J's mix, because it was already at it's peak level of existence.

I guess we all missed the boat entirely or just arrived too late to do what really mattered.

Cheers J.  Where can I get me a copy of your album?
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2008, 11:39:40 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 21:41

[Edit: Never mind, I'm done.]


Dude. Did you have a rough day?

That was a legitimate point and a serious question. I think holding back your qualified input takes away from the learning process.

I'll ask you again.

In your opinion, has the need for everything to be loud and not dynamic, as well as following a mixing trend for commercial viability, skewed what most people consider good?



ps. I agreed with you about the 95 out of 100 dentist survey saying, indeed, my mix was dark.

I don't understand your frustration.
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2008, 11:44:44 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 21:41

[Edit: Never mind, I'm done.]

Brad, you had some brilliant points!  Why did you go and erase it???
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2008, 11:47:53 PM »

J-Texas wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 22:39

Dude. Did you have a rough day?

Nope, not at all. Feeling good, actually.

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That was a legitimate point and a serious question. I think holding back your qualified input takes away from the learning process.

I've held nothing back - how could you even suggest that?

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I'll ask you again.

In your opinion, has the need for everything to be loud and not dynamic, as well as following a mixing trend for commercial viability, skewed what most people consider good?

I'll ask you- when did I ever inject the loudness of this mix into this discussion? I didn't you did. I'm not viewing this as a 'commercially viable' mix discussion, as the music isn't 'commercially viable' from the get-go. If you think your mix is awesome, so be it - ignore my perspective. Makes no diff to me - I was simply trying to make a point (which you obviously either wish to argue or ignore).

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I don't understand your frustration.

No frustration, just bewilderment that you wouldn't actually listen to your mix and try to be objective about it.

If you think it's great - awesome. More power to you. Either way, I'm done.

If anyone else has questions, feel free to ask.
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2008, 11:49:55 PM »

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 22:44

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 21:41

[Edit: Never mind, I'm done.]

Brad, you had some brilliant points!  Why did you go and erase it???

I appreciate your kind words, but I'm not going to debate him on this - I don't have the spare time. I shared my opinion and he refuses to even consider it might be worth considering, so I'm done with it.
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2008, 11:56:37 PM »

Brad,

Are you putting me on here?

I think we're off on the wrong foot or something. I'm not talking about MY mix.

I appreciate your criticism. I have weighed it carefully and listened objectively, gone back and tweaked it, listened objectively again. The learning is never done man.

I really am trying to put out a generalization. This is the indie thread man. If you can help me (or anyone else trying to learn how to tune the craft) find a happy medium between what I consider right and what the masses consider good, then I might learn something. I'm not trying to turn you off man. From an ME perspective I'm trying to find out what makes you tick not ticked off.
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2008, 12:07:12 AM »

bblackwood wrote on Tue, 08 April 2008 12:33



grant richards - dark, nice pumping overall, sorta welrdly pushed in the mids




thanks for the comments Brad.  from a your purest ME perspective, is the pumping done well enough to make the master pretty loud?

pushed in the mids...guitars? vocals? drums?  everything?  elaboration would be appreciated.

what's your take on the bottom?

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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2008, 12:10:30 AM »

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 22:49

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 22:44

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 21:41

[Edit: Never mind, I'm done.]

Brad, you had some brilliant points!  Why did you go and erase it???

I appreciate your kind words, but I'm not going to debate him on this - I don't have the spare time. I shared my opinion and he refuses to even consider it might be worth considering, so I'm done with it.

Kind words?
No thanks necessary.  You laid it all out.
Your short little snippet you said of what my mix wa, gave me an affirmation that I already knew.  Thank you. That's all I needed.  Do you do stuff like "help people with their mix" kind of thing?
If so PM me how much.....
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2008, 12:16:24 AM »

grant richard wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 23:07

bblackwood wrote on Tue, 08 April 2008 12:33



grant richards - dark, nice pumping overall, sorta welrdly pushed in the mids


thanks for the comments Brad.  from a your purest ME perspective, is the pumping done well enough to make the master pretty loud?

pushed in the mids...guitars? vocals? drums?  everything?  elaboration would be appreciated.

what's your take on the bottom?

Hey man, everything seemed a little pushed in the mids. I think overall, a decent master could be cut from this - an excellent master if the band loved the mix.

As for loud - please, PLEASE do nothing in mixing to make things loud - just make it sound good! If you start focusing on loudness without the perspective (not to mention the additional processing which might be involved) of the mastering engineer, you'll likely be missing stuff you need to focus on.

Leave it to us to get it loud (if needed), just make it please the artist!
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2008, 12:17:48 AM »

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 23:10

Kind words?
No thanks necessary.  You laid it all out.
Your short little snippet you said of what my mix wa, gave me an affirmation that I already knew.  Thank you. That's all I needed.  Do you do stuff like "help people with their mix" kind of thing?
If so PM me how much.....

I regularly help clients with this for free, PM me if interested - I don't want this to turn into a commercial thing...
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Brad Blackwood
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2008, 12:32:47 AM »

J-Texas wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 22:56

Brad,

Are you putting me on here?

I think we're off on the wrong foot or something. I'm not talking about MY mix.

Sorry, then I have no idea what mix you're talking about here. I'm just commenting on what was submitted..
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Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion
« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2008, 12:52:21 AM »

No particular mix here. Just a generalization. Maybe this isn't the appropriate thread for this discussion. If not, I'd like to offer the question in a new thread because I think it's pertinent to guys, like myself, who are learning the craft.
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