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[J-Texas]

The illegals, who have an identification number issued by the government, do pay some taxes. Since they are usually lower wage earners, they contribute very little to the taxes that fund the services that they use (healthcare and education). What about the illegals getting paid cash wages? They don’t pay taxes at all.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimated that California spends about $7.7 billion each year to educate about 1 million children of illegal immigrants.

How do you think that affects the children who are here legally? Do you think that their right to a good education is infringed upon? Overcrowding in classrooms. Teacher to student ratios. What about the extra time and expense paid to have bilingual classes and teachers? What about the qualified teacher who doesn’t get hired because she can’t speak Spanish?

At any one given period of time it is estimated that there are 5 million illegal aliens in America. What if each of these people sent one dollar back home. The US would lose $5 million dollars that could have been thrown back into our economy. Not only would that money not be put back in, but those people wouldn’t be paying taxes… an ADDITIONAL drain on our economy.

I do believe that every human has inalienable rights. But you should not be afforded the full rights of a state if you are not a citizen of that state. Every person has the right to the PURSUIT of happiness, not happiness at the expense of others. People trying to go to any country in the pursuit of happiness should find it… by following the rules. If you need to get their quickly to escape some unimaginable hardships, and I do believe that people do so, you should follow avenues to become a part of that country legally and in a timely fashion.  

Illegal immigrants seeking to make a home in this northeastern Pennsylvania city [HAZLETON, Pa.] could face barriers to finding a home and job after the city council passed one of the nation's strictest ordinances to fight illegal immigration.
City documents would be printed in English, landlords would face $1,000 fines for each illegal immigrant found renting their properties and business who employ illegal immigrants wouldn't be granted licenses.
Barletta [Mayor Lou Barletta] proposed the Illegal Immigration Relief Act last month as a response to what he said were Hazleton's problems with violent crime, crowded schools, hospital costs and the demand for services. Opponents argued it was divisive and possibly illegal, but supporters argued illegal immigrants' growing numbers have damaged the quality of life in this northeastern Pennsylvania city.

This is absurd:

NEW YORK — After coming under fire for denying a Chinese-American infant a $25,000 prize in a New Year's baby contest because her mother was not a legal U.S. resident, the Toys "R" Us company said Saturday evening that it had reversed its decision.
The Wayne, N.J.-based company said it would award each of the three babies in the grand prize pool of the "First Baby of the Year Sweepstakes" a $25,000 savings bond. Toys "R" us is the parent company of Babies "R" Us, which sponsored the contest.
Toys "R" Us, which opened its first mainland China store less than a month ago, changed its mind after Chinese-American advocates protested and the story was reported in ethnic newspapers and The New York Times among other outlets.
She won a random drawing with two other babies for the $25,000 savings bond, said Toys "R" Us spokeswoman Kathleen Waugh. The company had said it would go to the first American baby born in 2007.
Yuki was born an American citizen. But the company disqualified her because "the sweepstakes administrator was informed that the mother of the baby born at New York Downtown Hospital was not a legal resident of the United States," Waugh said.
Although promotional materials called for "all expectant New Year's mothers" to apply, Waugh said eligibility rules required babies' mothers to be legal residents. Many sweepstakes have such requirements, Waugh said.
Chinese-American advocates had complained that the toy company's decision smacks of second-class citizenship. They said the prize should was supposed to be for the child, not the mother. One attorney launched an e-mail campaign on the issue.

I was in an auto accident with an illegal alien. She had no insurance. What was I going to do… sue her? For what? My insurance had to pay for it. Premiums went up. She cost me my time and my money. Now insurance companies are targeting illegals for auto coverage. What? That shouldn’t be allowed to happen. More enabling.

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[J-Texas]

Berolzheimer wrote on Sat, 29 March 2008 21:20

So I assume you never smoke pot, exceed the speed limit, coast through a stop sign,  walk your dog off leash....

You're right... I don't smoke pot. Because I always have my baby in the truck with me, I don't coast through stop signs. Actually, even if I don't because he needs a father not a memory of one. I don't have a dog and I really hate that people let theirs crap in my yard without picking it up.

What else would you like to know?

[Berolzheimer]

Your basic assumption about their effect on the tax base is wrong.:

Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions

NEW YORK TIMES
By EDUARDO PORTER
April 5, 2005
[Front Page]
STOCKTON, Calif. - Since illegally crossing the Mexican border into the United States six years ago,

[J-Texas]

Berolzheimer wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 14:50

It is impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrant workers pay taxes. But according to specialists, most of them do.

What kind of a Mickey Mouse quote is this? What planet do you get this reasoning from? What about the everyone else not in the "most" category if this is REMOTELY correct?

Quote:

Since 1986, when the Immigration Reform and Control Act set penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, most such workers have been forced to buy fake ID's to get a job. Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book

It also means that there are a lot of Americans out of a job.

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A comparative handful of former illegal immigrant workers who have obtained legal residence have been able to accredit their previous earnings to their new legal Social Security numbers. Mr. Camarota is among those opposed to granting a broad amnesty to illegal immigrants, arguing that, among other things, they might claim Social Security benefits and put further financial stress on the system.

At least this makes sense.

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Most immigration helps Social Security's finances, because new immigrants tend to be of working age and contribute more than they take from the system. A simulation by Social Security's actuaries found that if net immigration ran at 1.3 million a year instead of the 900,000 in their central assumption, the system's 75-year funding gap would narrow to 1.67 percent of total payroll, from 1.92 percent - savings that come out to half a trillion dollars, valued in today's money.

Okay. One more reason to make sure the rest of the illegals here lawfully.

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Illegal immigrants help even more because they will never collect benefits.

Excuse me? Illegals are granted health care and education K-12.

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"There will be a moment when I won't be able to continue working," Mr. Mart Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 23:41 Quote: "There will be a moment when I won't be able to continue working," Mr. Mart regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 23:07 J-Texas wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 23:41 Quote: "There will be a moment when I won't be able to continue working," Mr. Mart Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 01:26 I'm sure the family back home has a few pesos en el banco from the extra hundred dollars you're sending home each week that the US economy will never see again. Let me try to understand your point of view. You mean that money earned in the U.S. of A. should only be spent in goods and services which consist exclusively of 100% U.S. of A.- originated source materials, intellectual property and/or work? Is that right? Well... Do you realize that you've sent money abroad when you bought your iphone? That your car, no matter what brand, has components from many countries, including engineering, design and others? And that most of the electronic components inside any appliance, no matter what the "Made In ___" sticker says, are made in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, China... regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 00:07 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 01:26 I'm sure the family back home has a few pesos en el banco from the extra hundred dollars you're sending home each week that the US economy will never see again. Let me try to understand your point of view. You mean that money earned in the U.S. of A. should only be spent in goods and services which consist exclusively of 100% U.S. of A.- originated source materials, intellectual property and/or work? Is that right? Well... Do you realize that you've sent money abroad when you bought your iphone? That your car, no matter what brand, has components from many countries, including engineering, design and others? And that most of the electronic components inside any appliance, no matter what the "Made In ___" sticker says, are made in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, China... No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:59 No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Ok, if I understood well, after you pay for the goods/services in your country, it does not matter what happens with the money thereafter. You pay (example) $400 for a China-made gadget, $100 goes to the store, $150 goes to the manufacturer+distributor chain, $50 goes to taxes and $100 goes to China and that's good. (the breakdown may be way off but its just an example). You paid for a hamburger, got the hamburger, the end. No problem. Right? regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 09:57 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:59 No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Ok, if I understood well, after you pay for the goods/services in your country, it does not matter what happens with the money thereafter. You pay (example) $400 for a China-made gadget, $100 goes to the store, $150 goes to the manufacturer+distributor chain, $50 goes to taxes and $100 goes to China and that's good. (the breakdown may be way off but its just an example). You paid for a hamburger, got the hamburger, the end. No problem. Right? I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:07 I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   So you paid for the gadget $400 and no problem if $100 goes to China because of all the positive things that you stated above. End of story. That's fine with me too. Remember that when you paid $400 for the gadget, from which $100 went to China and it did not matter to you, some $0.25 went to pay the salary of the immigrant who sweeps the floor at the store's warehouse. Who might be sending some $0.05 from that to his family in Honduras, what's left after he pays his rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes (yes!) and every other expense he incurs in your country. But you have a beef with those $0.05 from your $400.00 from which $100 can go to China but somehow the $100.00 is OK with you and the $0.05 is not. Do you see my point now? regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:26 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:07 I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   So you paid for the gadget $400 and no problem if $100 goes to China because of all the positive things that you stated above. End of story. That's fine with me too. Remember that when you paid $400 for the gadget, from which $100 went to China and it did not matter to you, some $0.25 went to pay the salary of the immigrant who sweeps the floor at the store's warehouse. Who might be sending some $0.05 from that to his family in Honduras, what's left after he pays his rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes (yes!) and every other expense he incurs in your country. But you have a beef with those $0.05 from your $400.00 from which $100 can go to China but somehow the $100.00 is OK with you and the $0.05 is not. Do you see my point now? Are you joking? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is going to pay for, as you said, rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes and every other expense he incurs in my country for .25 cents an hour. I only wish that I got .25 on every product sold in a store on any given day. Either way, I have no idea where you are getting this from. Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:47 Are you joking? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is going to pay for, as you said, rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes and every other expense he incurs in my country for .25 cents an hour. I only wish that I got .25 on every product sold in a store on any given day. Either way, I have no idea where you are getting this from. I'm not saying that Jos regards, YZ el duderino Hero Member Offline Posts: 792 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J- maybe i missed something but it seems your opposition is based on taxes. so, if the IRS was eliminated what would the problem be? ssltech Hero Member Offline Posts: 4780 Re: How do you feel about immigration? Notice how everyone who listens to Rebublican mouthpiece, shrieking-midget hissy-fit talk radio hosts uses the word "illegals"? ...Just an observation... Keith MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics.. Print Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 ... 7   Go Up « previous next » R/E/P Community > R/E/P > R/E/P Archives > R/E/P Saloon > How do you feel about immigration?   SMF 2.0.19 | SMF © 2021, Simple Machines | Terms and Policies XHTML RSS WAP2 Site Hosted By Ashdown Technologies, Inc. Page created in 0.204 seconds with 19 queries.

[YZ]

J-Texas wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 23:41

Quote: "There will be a moment when I won't be able to continue working," Mr. Mart regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 23:07 J-Texas wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 23:41 Quote: "There will be a moment when I won't be able to continue working," Mr. Mart Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 01:26 I'm sure the family back home has a few pesos en el banco from the extra hundred dollars you're sending home each week that the US economy will never see again. Let me try to understand your point of view. You mean that money earned in the U.S. of A. should only be spent in goods and services which consist exclusively of 100% U.S. of A.- originated source materials, intellectual property and/or work? Is that right? Well... Do you realize that you've sent money abroad when you bought your iphone? That your car, no matter what brand, has components from many countries, including engineering, design and others? And that most of the electronic components inside any appliance, no matter what the "Made In ___" sticker says, are made in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, China... regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 00:07 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 01:26 I'm sure the family back home has a few pesos en el banco from the extra hundred dollars you're sending home each week that the US economy will never see again. Let me try to understand your point of view. You mean that money earned in the U.S. of A. should only be spent in goods and services which consist exclusively of 100% U.S. of A.- originated source materials, intellectual property and/or work? Is that right? Well... Do you realize that you've sent money abroad when you bought your iphone? That your car, no matter what brand, has components from many countries, including engineering, design and others? And that most of the electronic components inside any appliance, no matter what the "Made In ___" sticker says, are made in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, China... No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:59 No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Ok, if I understood well, after you pay for the goods/services in your country, it does not matter what happens with the money thereafter. You pay (example) $400 for a China-made gadget, $100 goes to the store, $150 goes to the manufacturer+distributor chain, $50 goes to taxes and $100 goes to China and that's good. (the breakdown may be way off but its just an example). You paid for a hamburger, got the hamburger, the end. No problem. Right? regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 09:57 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:59 No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Ok, if I understood well, after you pay for the goods/services in your country, it does not matter what happens with the money thereafter. You pay (example) $400 for a China-made gadget, $100 goes to the store, $150 goes to the manufacturer+distributor chain, $50 goes to taxes and $100 goes to China and that's good. (the breakdown may be way off but its just an example). You paid for a hamburger, got the hamburger, the end. No problem. Right? I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:07 I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   So you paid for the gadget $400 and no problem if $100 goes to China because of all the positive things that you stated above. End of story. That's fine with me too. Remember that when you paid $400 for the gadget, from which $100 went to China and it did not matter to you, some $0.25 went to pay the salary of the immigrant who sweeps the floor at the store's warehouse. Who might be sending some $0.05 from that to his family in Honduras, what's left after he pays his rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes (yes!) and every other expense he incurs in your country. But you have a beef with those $0.05 from your $400.00 from which $100 can go to China but somehow the $100.00 is OK with you and the $0.05 is not. Do you see my point now? regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:26 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:07 I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   So you paid for the gadget $400 and no problem if $100 goes to China because of all the positive things that you stated above. End of story. That's fine with me too. Remember that when you paid $400 for the gadget, from which $100 went to China and it did not matter to you, some $0.25 went to pay the salary of the immigrant who sweeps the floor at the store's warehouse. Who might be sending some $0.05 from that to his family in Honduras, what's left after he pays his rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes (yes!) and every other expense he incurs in your country. But you have a beef with those $0.05 from your $400.00 from which $100 can go to China but somehow the $100.00 is OK with you and the $0.05 is not. Do you see my point now? Are you joking? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is going to pay for, as you said, rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes and every other expense he incurs in my country for .25 cents an hour. I only wish that I got .25 on every product sold in a store on any given day. Either way, I have no idea where you are getting this from. Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:47 Are you joking? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is going to pay for, as you said, rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes and every other expense he incurs in my country for .25 cents an hour. I only wish that I got .25 on every product sold in a store on any given day. Either way, I have no idea where you are getting this from. I'm not saying that Jos regards, YZ el duderino Hero Member Offline Posts: 792 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J- maybe i missed something but it seems your opposition is based on taxes. so, if the IRS was eliminated what would the problem be? ssltech Hero Member Offline Posts: 4780 Re: How do you feel about immigration? Notice how everyone who listens to Rebublican mouthpiece, shrieking-midget hissy-fit talk radio hosts uses the word "illegals"? ...Just an observation... Keith MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics.. Print Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 ... 7   Go Up « previous next » R/E/P Community > R/E/P > R/E/P Archives > R/E/P Saloon > How do you feel about immigration?   SMF 2.0.19 | SMF © 2021, Simple Machines | Terms and Policies XHTML RSS WAP2 Site Hosted By Ashdown Technologies, Inc. Page created in 0.204 seconds with 19 queries.

[J-Texas]

YZ wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 23:07

J-Texas wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 23:41 Quote: "There will be a moment when I won't be able to continue working," Mr. Mart Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 01:26 I'm sure the family back home has a few pesos en el banco from the extra hundred dollars you're sending home each week that the US economy will never see again. Let me try to understand your point of view. You mean that money earned in the U.S. of A. should only be spent in goods and services which consist exclusively of 100% U.S. of A.- originated source materials, intellectual property and/or work? Is that right? Well... Do you realize that you've sent money abroad when you bought your iphone? That your car, no matter what brand, has components from many countries, including engineering, design and others? And that most of the electronic components inside any appliance, no matter what the "Made In ___" sticker says, are made in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, China... regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 00:07 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 01:26 I'm sure the family back home has a few pesos en el banco from the extra hundred dollars you're sending home each week that the US economy will never see again. Let me try to understand your point of view. You mean that money earned in the U.S. of A. should only be spent in goods and services which consist exclusively of 100% U.S. of A.- originated source materials, intellectual property and/or work? Is that right? Well... Do you realize that you've sent money abroad when you bought your iphone? That your car, no matter what brand, has components from many countries, including engineering, design and others? And that most of the electronic components inside any appliance, no matter what the "Made In ___" sticker says, are made in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, China... No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:59 No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Ok, if I understood well, after you pay for the goods/services in your country, it does not matter what happens with the money thereafter. You pay (example) $400 for a China-made gadget, $100 goes to the store, $150 goes to the manufacturer+distributor chain, $50 goes to taxes and $100 goes to China and that's good. (the breakdown may be way off but its just an example). You paid for a hamburger, got the hamburger, the end. No problem. Right? regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 09:57 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:59 No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Ok, if I understood well, after you pay for the goods/services in your country, it does not matter what happens with the money thereafter. You pay (example) $400 for a China-made gadget, $100 goes to the store, $150 goes to the manufacturer+distributor chain, $50 goes to taxes and $100 goes to China and that's good. (the breakdown may be way off but its just an example). You paid for a hamburger, got the hamburger, the end. No problem. Right? I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:07 I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   So you paid for the gadget $400 and no problem if $100 goes to China because of all the positive things that you stated above. End of story. That's fine with me too. Remember that when you paid $400 for the gadget, from which $100 went to China and it did not matter to you, some $0.25 went to pay the salary of the immigrant who sweeps the floor at the store's warehouse. Who might be sending some $0.05 from that to his family in Honduras, what's left after he pays his rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes (yes!) and every other expense he incurs in your country. But you have a beef with those $0.05 from your $400.00 from which $100 can go to China but somehow the $100.00 is OK with you and the $0.05 is not. Do you see my point now? regards, YZ J-Texas Hero Member Offline Posts: 1212 Re: How do you feel about immigration? YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:26 J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:07 I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   So you paid for the gadget $400 and no problem if $100 goes to China because of all the positive things that you stated above. End of story. That's fine with me too. Remember that when you paid $400 for the gadget, from which $100 went to China and it did not matter to you, some $0.25 went to pay the salary of the immigrant who sweeps the floor at the store's warehouse. Who might be sending some $0.05 from that to his family in Honduras, what's left after he pays his rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes (yes!) and every other expense he incurs in your country. But you have a beef with those $0.05 from your $400.00 from which $100 can go to China but somehow the $100.00 is OK with you and the $0.05 is not. Do you see my point now? Are you joking? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is going to pay for, as you said, rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes and every other expense he incurs in my country for .25 cents an hour. I only wish that I got .25 on every product sold in a store on any given day. Either way, I have no idea where you are getting this from. Jason Thompson www.4141studios.com YZ Hero Member Offline Posts: 868 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:47 Are you joking? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is going to pay for, as you said, rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes and every other expense he incurs in my country for .25 cents an hour. I only wish that I got .25 on every product sold in a store on any given day. Either way, I have no idea where you are getting this from. I'm not saying that Jos regards, YZ el duderino Hero Member Offline Posts: 792 Re: How do you feel about immigration? J- maybe i missed something but it seems your opposition is based on taxes. so, if the IRS was eliminated what would the problem be? ssltech Hero Member Offline Posts: 4780 Re: How do you feel about immigration? Notice how everyone who listens to Rebublican mouthpiece, shrieking-midget hissy-fit talk radio hosts uses the word "illegals"? ...Just an observation... Keith MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics.. Print Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 ... 7   Go Up « previous next » R/E/P Community > R/E/P > R/E/P Archives > R/E/P Saloon > How do you feel about immigration?   SMF 2.0.19 | SMF © 2021, Simple Machines | Terms and Policies XHTML RSS WAP2 Site Hosted By Ashdown Technologies, Inc. Page created in 0.204 seconds with 19 queries.

[YZ]

J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 01:26

I'm sure the family back home has a few pesos en el banco from the extra hundred dollars you're sending home each week that the US economy will never see again.

Let me try to understand your point of view.

You mean that money earned in the U.S. of A. should only be spent in goods and services which consist exclusively of 100% U.S. of A.- originated source materials, intellectual property and/or work?

Is that right?


Well...

Do you realize that you've sent money abroad when you bought your iphone?

That your car, no matter what brand, has components from many countries, including engineering, design and others?

And that most of the electronic components inside any appliance, no matter what the "Made In ___" sticker says, are made in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, China...

[J-Texas]

YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 00:07

J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 01:26 I'm sure the family back home has a few pesos en el banco from the extra hundred dollars you're sending home each week that the US economy will never see again. Let me try to understand your point of view. You mean that money earned in the U.S. of A. should only be spent in goods and services which consist exclusively of 100% U.S. of A.- originated source materials, intellectual property and/or work? Is that right? Well... Do you realize that you've sent money abroad when you bought your iphone? That your car, no matter what brand, has components from many countries, including engineering, design and others? And that most of the electronic components inside any appliance, no matter what the "Made In ___" sticker says, are made in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, China...

No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying?

edit-type-o

[YZ]

J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:59

No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o

Ok, if I understood well, after you pay for the goods/services in your country, it does not matter what happens with the money thereafter.

You pay (example) $400 for a China-made gadget, $100 goes to the store, $150 goes to the manufacturer+distributor chain, $50 goes to taxes and $100 goes to China and that's good. (the breakdown may be way off but its just an example).

You paid for a hamburger, got the hamburger, the end.

No problem.

Right?

[J-Texas]

YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 09:57

J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:59 No dude. That's the obvious rebuttal to that, I understand. When I pay for my iPhone... guess what? I get an iPhone. I get nothing  (and neither does anyone else in the US of A) from somebody working here, (taxed deferred and without any monetary contribution to the services offered to him) taking money out of the economy. It's a drain.  At least if he bought something from China out of a store... it would help the store stay in business. Do you not even remotely see what I'm saying? edit-type-o Ok, if I understood well, after you pay for the goods/services in your country, it does not matter what happens with the money thereafter. You pay (example) $400 for a China-made gadget, $100 goes to the store, $150 goes to the manufacturer+distributor chain, $50 goes to taxes and $100 goes to China and that's good. (the breakdown may be way off but its just an example). You paid for a hamburger, got the hamburger, the end. No problem. Right?

I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full.


Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT.



Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy?



How many more times should we do this (you and I)?  

[YZ]

J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:07

I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?

So you paid for the gadget $400 and no problem if $100 goes to China because of all the positive things that you stated above.

End of story.

That's fine with me too.

Remember that when you paid $400 for the gadget, from which $100 went to China and it did not matter to you, some $0.25 went to pay the salary of the immigrant who sweeps the floor at the store's warehouse.

Who might be sending some $0.05 from that to his family in Honduras, what's left after he pays his rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes (yes!) and every other expense he incurs in your country.

But you have a beef with those $0.05 from your $400.00 from which $100 can go to China but somehow the $100.00 is OK with you and the $0.05 is not.

Do you see my point now?

[J-Texas]

YZ wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 10:26

J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:07 I paid for the hamburger. Helped out the US owned store and got full. Yes. I helped out the owner of the store so he's one more product further away from closing down, contributed to the sales tax to help supplement the cost of doing business in Texas so that I CAN go to the store and buy something, AND I got my Chinese gadget. The Chinese made some money too. GREAT. Now how does that compare to somebody here illegally taking tax-free money out of the economy? How many more times should we do this (you and I)?   So you paid for the gadget $400 and no problem if $100 goes to China because of all the positive things that you stated above. End of story. That's fine with me too. Remember that when you paid $400 for the gadget, from which $100 went to China and it did not matter to you, some $0.25 went to pay the salary of the immigrant who sweeps the floor at the store's warehouse. Who might be sending some $0.05 from that to his family in Honduras, what's left after he pays his rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes (yes!) and every other expense he incurs in your country. But you have a beef with those $0.05 from your $400.00 from which $100 can go to China but somehow the $100.00 is OK with you and the $0.05 is not. Do you see my point now?

Are you joking? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is going to pay for, as you said, rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes and every other expense he incurs in my country for .25 cents an hour. I only wish that I got .25 on every product sold in a store on any given day. Either way, I have no idea where you are getting this from.

[YZ]

J-Texas wrote on Mon, 31 March 2008 12:47

Are you joking? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is going to pay for, as you said, rent, his food, his clothing, transportation, Social Security, taxes and every other expense he incurs in my country for .25 cents an hour. I only wish that I got .25 on every product sold in a store on any given day. Either way, I have no idea where you are getting this from.

I'm not saying that Jos

[el duderino]

J- maybe i missed something but it seems your opposition is based on taxes.

so, if the IRS was eliminated what would the problem be?

[ssltech]

Notice how everyone who listens to Rebublican mouthpiece, shrieking-midget hissy-fit talk radio hosts uses the word "illegals"?

...Just an observation...

Keith