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bblackwood

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How do you feel about immigration?
« on: March 27, 2008, 11:32:31 PM »

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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2008, 12:06:55 AM »

I've seen that before.

It's a very powerful illustration of the current situation...
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Nathan Rousu

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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2008, 12:17:02 AM »

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 27 March 2008 22:32

Please watch: http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ


Brad, I think I chew AT LEAST 10 million people a month man... if not more.

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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2008, 02:39:03 AM »

open the borders!!!
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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2008, 04:50:58 AM »

i hate this stupid issue which right wingers use to scare us into buying "security"
that we do not need.  if we don't want mexicans to come here (is any
other group able to get here in large numbers?) then:

1. no habla espa

bblackwood

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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2008, 07:31:00 AM »

index.php/fa/8315/0/
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Brad Blackwood
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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2008, 08:08:42 AM »

Wow, sounds serious.  But this has been a problem since before 1975.  In fact, the North American aboriginals immigration policy was clearly far too lax.

The only solution is retroactive repatriation.  All the immigrants since 1492 should go back to the land of their ancestors.
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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2008, 08:18:17 AM »

bblackwood wrote on Fri, 28 March 2008 06:31

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Pretty chart... I like how the bars turn red suddenly.

Maybe later today I'll normalize that against the population of the US at the time.  My guess is the effect is much less striking.

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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2008, 08:41:25 AM »

garret wrote on Fri, 28 March 2008 07:18

Pretty chart... I like how the bars turn red suddenly.

Maybe later today I'll normalize that against the population of the US at the time.  My guess is the effect is much less striking.



I'm guessing you'd be correct.

In fact, I'm guessing the peak from 1901-1910 will dwarf what we're seeing now!
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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2008, 10:26:54 AM »

Unfortunately the methodology of his graph demonstration is dramatically flawed...

He initially says that there are a lot of people 'off the bottom of the chart', and he says that right up front so that you forget about factoring it in.

Showing it starting from a 'zero line' showing only expansion, and then dramatically having it explode off the top of the page is a "zoom-in" trick, which makes it APPEAR as though the population is multiplying by an unimaginable and incomprehensible factor.

-If you actually zoom-out the magnification and INCLUDE the comparitively enormous green block at the bottom, it looks a lot less scary.

...Now...

I'm not saying he doesn't have a point... just that he's presenting it in a manner which misleads most of the people in the room. -Showing the reaction of the audience members when he dramatically extends the graph is a cheap trick, and the audience members don't look like they're necessarily smart enough to allow for the 'zoomed-in' scale... -I may be prejudiced in my assessment, but it's been my experience (for example) that people who habitually breathe through their mouth are often not the brightest specimens of the species...

-Just my observations.

Keith
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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2008, 03:02:47 PM »

Personally I think it's a human rights issue.  I believe that people have a fundamental right to live where they please, and that being born on one side of a line or the other doesn't change that right.

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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2008, 03:16:02 PM »

Berolzheimer wrote on Fri, 28 March 2008 14:02

Personally I think it's a human rights issue.  I believe that people have a fundamental right to live where they please, and that being born on one side of a line or the other doesn't change that right.




So you are cool with 20 immigrants making a home in your backyard?  Or your living room(which is really just another man made line)?  

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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2008, 03:43:09 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Fri, 28 March 2008 05:31

index.php/fa/8315/0/


Interesting how a massive spike in immigration happened right before a major economic depression.  I wonder if that will happen again...(?)
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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2008, 05:15:51 PM »

Okay, here ya are.

index.php/fa/8324/0/

Much easier to see now, that immigration is relatively low by historical standards.
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Re: How do you feel about immigration?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2008, 07:23:08 PM »

open the borders
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