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[Berolzheimer]

J-Texas wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 10:08

Adam was formed in the likeness of God. Woman was made to be a companion to man... a perfect compliment.

Is nobody going to jump on this?  Jessica?  This is your thread, after all.....Do you feel you were made to be a companion to men?

[weepit]

Thank you all for the replies.  I was not trying to be argumentative but the Christian viewpoint puzzles me greatly.  My better half and her family are all Catholic yet it is difficult to discuss such matters with them without winding up on the couch.  They tend to think that their way is the only way and those that do not believe/agree are wrong or misguided or have yet to 'see the light'.  How anyone could actually believe that they have such answers (from an ancient book with a clear agenda imho) is puzzling to me.    

I tend to agree with my grandpa who, when my 10 year old self asked what happens to us when we die, told me that "the worms get ya".  That is ok with me.  It makes me appreciate my time here and my loved ones all the more.  

Anyhow, I'll let you all get back to your discussion and I'll recommend that if you don't get the  fearful or armadillo references you watch spinal tap.  Princess Bride may be clever but Spinal Tap is stupid.  There is a fine betwixt the two I'm told...

[danickstr]

I appreciate all the replies of the "believer-camp" to my questions.

It seems like for many of you that the presence of god is felt inside of you.  I often wonder why some people feel this and others do not.

I guess it will remain a mystery.  I have certainly never felt or heard god.  That much is not open for discussion, because it is a simple statement of fact.

I hope you people who are more important to god than me, and have the voice and spirit of god in you will relish in it. I am sure it is a happy place.  

You will have to forgive me for not believing in a thing that has nothing to do with me.  

[Jessica A. Engle]

Berolzheimer wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 13:20

J-Texas wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 10:08 Adam was formed in the likeness of God. Woman was made to be a companion to man... a perfect compliment. Is nobody going to jump on this?  Jessica?  This is your thread, after all.....Do you feel you were made to be a companion to men?

OK, I'll bite.  

First of all, not a companion to "men" plural.   A companion to one man.  If that is what I choose.

What Jason says is what is in the Bible.  It's true!  

I'll admit up front I am not the best person to ask about this, as I'm not a Bible scholar.  But the idea behind this is that if you marry (nowhere in the Bible does it say you have to) you should be confident enough and have enough faith in the person you marry that you can trust their decisions.  Ideally, this person should be a man of God, and (try to) make Godly decisions about your family and such.  

This doesn't mean that the woman doesn't have a say, or can't make decisions, or has to have long hair or wear a dress or anything.  It just means that the first created man was alone and God made a way to help.  God said "It is not good for the man to be alone."

I will say that what Jason said doesn't bother me at all.  Not even a little.  I also know that if you choose the wrong person to marry really bad things can happen.  God just wants you (woman or man) to make a good choice if you marry, a choice that will build you up and make you better.

If I venture more of an opinion than this.... it will require a great deal of research!  

danickstr wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 13:42

I appreciate all the replies of the "believer-camp" to my questions. It seems like for many of you that the presence of god is felt inside of you.  I often wonder why some people feel this and others do not. I guess it will remain a mystery.  I have certainly never felt or heard god.  That much is not open for discussion, because it is a simple statement of fact. I hope you people who are more important to god than me, and have the voice and spirit of god in you will relish in it. I am sure it is a happy place.   You will have to forgive me for not believing in a thing that has nothing to do with me.

Thank you for sharing a little about your view, Nick.  I won't contest what you say, except the part about others being more important to God than you are.  Feelings come and go, and sometimes being loved by God is very unemotional or even angering and lonely.  But at those moments you have to rely on what you've read and what you remember.  Such is faith.  

You don't owe an apology to anyone here for what you believe.  I'm glad you're discussing it with us.

Jessica

[danickstr]

Thanks for your kind response Jessica.

I often think the hardest part for the faithful in understanding the non-believers is that we non-believers can imagine a world with god, but the believers can never seem to imagine a world without god.  I can't blame you for that, since it is a bleak place for a believer to go.

Makes perspective difficult.

But you have been nice enough to share your views and I thank you.

[studiojimi]

Berolzheimer wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 11:20

J-Texas wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 10:08 Adam was formed in the likeness of God. Woman was made to be a companion to man... a perfect compliment. Is nobody going to jump on this?  Jessica?  This is your thread, after all.....Do you feel you were made to be a companion to men?

what about adam and steve?

no hold up. . . . or was it . . .

david and jonathan

ya think God loves them?

i think She does.

[J-Texas]

danickstr wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 13:42

I appreciate all the replies of the "believer-camp" to my questions. It seems like for many of you that the presence of god is felt inside of you.  I often wonder why some people feel this and others do not. I guess it will remain a mystery.  I have certainly never felt or heard god.  That much is not open for discussion, because it is a simple statement of fact. I hope you people who are more important to god than me, and have the voice and spirit of god in you will relish in it. I am sure it is a happy place.   You will have to forgive me for not believing in a thing that has nothing to do with me.

Man, I think you share the same view as a lot of people. The reason you haven't felt His presence... you haven't invited Him into your life. Once you let God into your life and seek Him in all things, He WILL speak to you.

He won't impose on you. He needs to be invited. It's free will and it's up to you.


By the way. My God thinks that you are just as important as ANYONE else.

[studiojimi]

J-Texas wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 13:12

Man, I think you share the same view as a lot of people. The reason you haven't felt His presence... you haven't invited Him into your life. Once you let God into your life and seek Him in all things, He WILL speak to you. He won't impose on you. He needs to be invited. It's free will and it's up to you. By the way. My God thinks that you are just as important as ANYONE else.

big 10/4

[danickstr]

I will try again:

[J-Texas]

Man... one bad thing about the internet... it has no soul. I can't get a read on that. Are you being facetious?

If you really do mean that, then I urge you to make it personal. Regardless... I will pray for you either way.

[danickstr]

As a younger person I did try to find a connection to the higher power, but it always was one-sided.

I am not trying to be facetious on a purely face value.

That invitation is all that is left of my ability to muster another attempt to reach out to an invisible unfelt power, for the logical side of me says that that which is not felt or seen or heard or experienced, is not there.

[maxim]

"that which is not felt or seen or heard or experienced, is not there."

not, strictly speaking, true

more importantly, in this context, that which IS felt, seen or heard is not ALWAYS there either...

[Barry Hufker]

I'm really enjoying the discussion.  It's not The Princess Bride but...

I also must agree that no one person is more important to God than any other, believer or not.

Inviting God into your life is a tough deal. First you have to firmly believe he exists.  After all you don't invite people to come to your house if you don't believe they exist.  Second, you can't ask nonchalantly.  This is a search as much as it is a request.  There must be a longing where you know in your heart there has to be someone or something better than currently what is.  And you must your failures, either in action or inaction, are offenses against God, just as they would be against anyone else whom you have wronged.  And having wronged that person you must believe he will forgive you when you ask him to.

This can be quite a process and may not happen instantly.  For me it was from the 7th grade until in my 20s.

I'm always amazed when someone says something to the effect of "what Christ says can't be the only way".  Why not?  There are lots of things in life that can only be done one way.  There are lots of places on earth (or under the earth, as in caves) which can only be reached one way.

The most confusing thing about Christianity is that it is contrary to almost everything else.  For instance, in every other faith, non-faith, people are expected to achieve their own salvation (or happiness for those who don't believe in the divine).  Christianity is the *only* faith telling you there is nothing you have to do to be saved other than accept the fact that you need to be saved and all the work has been done for you.

It is the simplest thing and yet the hardest thing to accept.

[maxim]

dr luther might disagree...

[J-Texas]

Barry Hufker wrote on Tue, 25 March 2008 20:49

Inviting God into your life is a tough deal. First you have to firmly believe he exists... Second, you can't ask nonchalantly.  This is a search as much as it is a request.  There must be a longing where you know in your heart there has to be someone or something better than currently what is... you must believe he will forgive you when you ask him to... It is the simplest thing and yet the hardest thing to accept.

I love it. Good perspective.



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