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[j.hall]

this is yet another tool.

a person's use, or abuse, is completely up to them.

[imdrecordings]

Begs the question J.
Why do people feel the need to develop tools such as this?

[Tomas Danko]

Being able to fix that sour string on the rhythm guitar track when mixing could be a good way to use this tool, as other's already pointed out.

Other than that, I can see how a lot of sample libraries suddenly became an awful lot more useful to the people using them.

That's pretty much it, besides horrible abuse through this application in so many ways. But that is nothing new.

[bblackwood]

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 12:22

Begs the question J. Why do people feel the need to develop tools such as this?

Same reason people felt the need to develop EQs.

[imdrecordings]

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 12:39

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 12:22 Begs the question J. Why do people feel the need to develop tools such as this? Same reason people felt the need to develop EQs.

I'm having a hard time grasping that one.
I am amazed at what this product does and can do, but I'm dumbfounded by it's existents.

Creatively it seems rather neat, I guess.
But these kind of products seem to be made for "fixing" things.
Yes? No?

[bblackwood]

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 12:51

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 12:39 imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 12:22 Begs the question J. Why do people feel the need to develop tools such as this? Same reason people felt the need to develop EQs. I'm having a hard time grasping that one. I am amazed at what this product does and can do, but I'm dumbfounded by it's existents. Creatively it seems rather neat, I guess. But these kind of products seem to be made for "fixing" things. Yes? No?

Why were EQ's developed?

[imdrecordings]

>Why were EQ's developed?

To allow us to adjust the level of a frequncy(s).

[bblackwood]

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 13:13

>Why were EQ's developed? To allow us to adjust the level of a frequncy(s).

Aka 'fixing' things.

Any tool can be used and any tool can be abused...

[imdrecordings]

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 13:30

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 13:13 >Why were EQ's developed? To allow us to adjust the level of a frequncy(s). Aka 'fixing' things. Any tool can be used and any tool can be abused...

Are you saying that there is no difference between a tool that manipulates a frequency, than one that changes the performance entirely?

[bblackwood]

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 13:46

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 13:30 imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 13:13 >Why were EQ's developed? To allow us to adjust the level of a frequncy(s). Aka 'fixing' things. Any tool can be used and any tool can be abused... Are you saying that there is no difference between a tool that manipulates a frequency, than one that changes the performance entirely?

No, of course not, but in the right hands this can be a valuable tool.

You think the greats of our past would single-handedly eschew the use of a tool based on principle? No - what made them great was their ability to utilize any and all tools to help the audience hear their efforts the way they intended.

This is no differnet in that regard. Like anything else, it can be used or abused.

[imdrecordings]

Brad,
I agree with you.
For me, the development of a product like this is like developing tools to build homes on sand in San Fransico.
But what ever works, pays the bills and makes people happy..    

[j.hall]

imdrecordings wrote on Thu, 13 March 2008 13:46

Are you saying that there is no difference between a tool that manipulates a frequency, than one that changes the performance entirely?

i think performance is a tricky word for this example.

you can easily break performance into categories.

two of which would be.....

1.  the physical act of creating the music.  this would be most related to timing and dynamics.

2.  the specific melodic and harmonic content as created by an individual.

if you are leaning toward 2 being what you call performance, then yes this software will ruin it.

i lean more toward 1.

and to be honest, i'm  a mixer.  i don't get to re-cut an out of tune guitar part.  i just get the band asking me to tune it.

so until this august, i simply can't do it.

[imdrecordings]

J.
I can't identify with your view point.
I see those 2 as 1, not separate.
Here's the thing..
When you have to focus on something in such fine detail (like the new Melodyne allows you to do), I would imagine that there honestly is no way of fixing things.   Stop and think how things roll in a mix and how people really play their instrument.   If a part was so damaged/wrong that you had to deconstruct the chord and adjust the intonation of that one note, in half a bar or beat....What have we come to?    

Then again I can completely contradict myself and see how this could be a very fun and creative tool.

[j.hall]

i'll give you an example that happens to me many, many times a year.

as of now, i'm doing about 45 - 60 projects a year.  some are singles, EP's, LP's....whatever, that doesn't really matter other then to show my frequency of work.

i'll get guitars that have been freshly strung and by the end of the tune one string is out.

i haven't a clue as to how the player, engineer or producer let this slide.  regardless, i'm stuck with it and can't do a thing about it.

some times you can hide it, some times not.  more often then not, the band asks me to fix it.

it's too late for them to go re-cut it, and i have to deliver bad news.

come august (if the product can hang with distortion) i'll be able to say, "sure, i'll look into it"

depending on how artifacty DNA is, i'll fix it, or tell them to live with it.

either way, this product will allow me to better serve my clients as this situation happens to me many times a year.

i think if i were more of a writing producer i'd find this tool very valuable.

if i composed based off sample libraries i'd be unable to contain myself till august.

[ATOR]

I think it's an amazing tool.

Last month I had a piano recording that had one wrong note in it. The band left it in because the performance was hairraising but they felt really bad about the wrong note. If I could have fixed it they'd make me their god

I think it's always good if you can fix technical flaws in amazing performances. Reality will probably be that we'll be fixing a lot of poor performances.

Autotune and the likes made the out of tune vocal performance good enough. Looks like Melodyne is gonna do this for the harmony instruments. Why spend the extra time and money on another take if they can fix it in the mix.

Let's hope this news doesn't get to the artists so they wont start depending on us to fix their playing.