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n8ontrike

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Semi mobile set up
« on: May 17, 2004, 02:30:02 PM »

So I am taking the plunge, slowly albeit, but starting. I am very close to taking out a loan for my start up system and wanted to get some feedback on a semi mobile setup for niche recording.

There are a few really great studios where I live (Knoxville, TN) that cater to the high end, or "we finally have enough $ to go to studio XYZ muso types," so I am really going after the huge indie market around here. Going to their shows for live tracking, as well as completely room based overdubs will be the main stay of this workhorse. I will be based off a 1.5 ghz Powerbook

Sadly mixing OTB isn't an option at the moment.
I'll need at least 8 analog in on an interface (preferably pre-amped). I will go Alsihad if necessary but have been leaning more towards Logic for my DAW. Any good plug-ins recommendations would also be appreciated.

My, um, vox/ect channel strip, is Joe Meek VC6. So that's as moist as it gets for the moment. I've got mic flavors covered so that's not a concern either.

So..., if anyone out there is/has run something similar I'd love to hear your success/horror stories.

the n8tive
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2004, 02:40:15 PM »

A couple guys I know swear by the Metric Halo stuff for doing remotes.  You can record files and work in whatever editor/workstation software you want.  

I use a Genex or MX2424...  I'm ascared of firewire on remote recordings.  I lost my partitions on one remote gig and boy was that embarrassing!  The cable fell out.  They don't really lock.  I ain't gonna do that again.
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2004, 04:54:02 PM »

Metric Halo, hmm I'll have to see if I can find one to test out. I don't know so much about that particular line, but keep hearing good things about it.

And I'm really leaning more toward Logic. So not being reliant on PT hardware would be great. Anyone heard of a Sound Replacer type plug for Logic? Because I've heard some of the kits I'll be recording and all the micing/tuning/etc in the world is only going to get me close. But I do love a challenge!

Thanks for recommendation!

n8
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2004, 04:56:25 PM »

That would be the MHalo own recording software which is supposed to be rock solid for live location recording.  

As I understand - there are issues for some people with DP, Logic etc that can be a bummer during a live recording situation, which is why many of the big MH location recording headz switched to the MH recording software (included free in the newest drivers !) - which is supposed to work 100% flawlessly and sound good too.

I myself use the MIO 2882 / Logic for multitrack work, location recording (non live), and I can say its sure gotten good with the latest drivers they recently put out which fixed numerous bugs & added cool features like the REC function, and 'sort of' DSP implementation for DSP users.

Your cheapest locations for the MH stuff in the USA are:

www.warhog.com
www.8thstreetmusic.com
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2004, 12:41:56 AM »

I am doing something very similar and doing it with the Metric Halo stuff. I can't recommend it enough. Those units sound amazing, and they are scalable.

As for Logic, wait about a month and buy the new release. it's "supposed" to be out in June. IMO the best DAW software out there.  
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2004, 09:08:50 AM »

right - and to clarify

You don't need to fire Logic up when you are recording - use the Mhalo software for that

Once you have the files safely recorded and backed up - when you are home or wherever - you open them up in Logic and do your post production
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2004, 12:39:18 PM »

I can't seem to find any info about Metric Halo's recording software on their website.

Is it stable? What file format does it record in? Can you edit?

- Gary
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2004, 03:31:12 PM »

Thanks for all the help guys, it's great to have the opinions of the experienced, rather than the sales division! I didn't know Logic was updating so soon, that's good to know as i was going to buy it tonight.

Now to see if I can get a hold of one of the Metric boxes to put through it's paces.

Thanks again.
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2004, 06:48:10 PM »

<I can't seem to find any info about Metric Halo's recording software on their website.>


Its embedded in the current driver.

Its like some kind of best kept secret//



< Is it stable? What file format does it record in? Can you edit?>

Supposedly very.
I think SDII only, not sure if there is a choice.
No edits - only straight one time recording and playback, you have to drag the files to your DAW of choice otherwise.
Its very basic - hence the stability factor I think

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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2004, 08:23:10 PM »

Ryan Moore wrote on Thu, 27 May 2004 18:48

 
No edits - only straight one time recording and playback, you have to drag the files to your DAW of choice otherwise.
Its very basic - hence the stability factor I think



Will the MH software allow overdubs?

- Gary


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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2004, 01:28:33 AM »

No - no overdubs, no edits - its record in 'one hit' style & playback only.
Thats why its so reliable - almost no features.
Its meant for location live recording as opposed to DAW style multitracking / overdubbing / editing etc..at least in its current incarnation
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2004, 01:57:31 AM »

Metric Halo has done some pretty shady shit over the years and repeatedly released some outright broken and/or "unfinished" products.

They're a couple guys in a garage -- not that there's anything wrong with that -- but they don't seem to be particularly smart or capable guys in a garage.

Fave story: last day of AES, customer points out that the gain control on their mic pre is reversed.  Clockwise is quieter, not louder.

Metric Halo response: "Oh yeah, the guy who builds this stuff is dyslexic, sometimes he gets the stuff backwards."

On the demo unit.  At AES.  Day 4.

Morons.

Even from reports here among the brainwashed, they still don't have the thing working with Logic and Digital Performer, and instead of fixing the problem, they've written their own little 'mini record app.'

A quick scan of the forums will reveal this to be a tried and true Metric Halo 'damage control' technique.

It's a damn I/O box.  What do you mean it doesn't work 100% with Logic and Digital Performer?  

Even Digi hardware works with Logic and Digital Performer!

If you're going to record with a computer, pick reputable products from a reputable company.  If you want to go "no computer for reliability" there are options there.

But Metric Halo makes no sense either way.

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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2004, 12:58:16 AM »

Congratulations to Erik for being the first person to make my "ignore" list.
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2004, 07:51:44 PM »

I have a Moble setup in adition to my Main setup,
... now for over a year , so far never a problem ( knock on wood ).!

I am running a laptop as well , with a Digi 002,
It is better than I ever expected, and a happy with this stability and features...
Give it a look as well, Chris has one as well with a BP 17 as well.
works great, looks good with the clients as well.
Best of luck to you .  ,   GG
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2004, 03:11:11 AM »

Jeez, Otto! I don't see what makes you want to 'ignore' Erik's posts. I thought that his take on MH, while possibly a bit hard-assed, seems well-informed and imparts information that I haven't seen anywhere else...

That said, I'm using Pyramix on location. I'd be happy to say a few things about that, if anyone's interested.

sincerely

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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2004, 07:57:24 AM »

Mark Lemaire wrote on Mon, 31 May 2004 03:11

That said, I'm using Pyramix on location. I'd be happy to say a few things about that, if anyone's interested.


Please do Mark - I use Pyramix in studio but we run it on a server platform with a RAID array.  It's very solid but not very portable...  though it's been done.

What is your hardware/platform setup, how have you portable-ized it, what drive configuration...  A/D...  etc. ?

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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2004, 09:50:45 AM »

Howdy - I did try and point out that there are and have been issues with the MIO stuff & I have had my frustrations in the past, that having said - it is sure far more stable now with the new drivers.  

I was almost to the point myself of abandoning the platform & changing to digi 002. But now its gotten better,

The notion of releasing stuff on the market thats unfinished - agreed there.

I think the scoop is that its one guy doing all the programming & he is apparently a computer genius / PHD - only that it turned out to be far too big of a job for one person to get the code happening & keep up with new os like OS X etc, various software revisions etc. Whereas a company like Digidesign probably has dozens of programmers sorting it out day in day out.

As for the brainwashed - perhaps that is too strong of a word Smile.
What  I think is most MIO owners take it all in stride / with a grain of salt,  and choose to deal with the strange quirks, company denials of reality and workarounds which everyone is aware of -  for the good sound of the units.

Thats the basic scoop - is that the sound is great & a good deal for the money for what you get IMO eg: the basic 2882 - 8 in/out model.

Once again - if you are doing live recordings  or project studio action - its worth checking out.

If you are a pro studio / 24 hours a day kind of operation it may not be the thing due to bugs & reliability, but then those folks would be going for PT HD anyway.




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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2004, 09:56:35 AM »

Oops sorry for the double post - I get that using Mac Safari for some reason..

Anyway - you can check out the MIO archives / mailing list at:

http://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/mobileio



BTW - MIO woudn't be the 1st to rush a semi-complete product onto the market for business reasons, especially in this computer age Smile

Not that its an excuse - but seems an endemic practice in the audio / software / PC biz.

Cheers,

RM
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Re: Semi mobile set up
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2004, 02:10:11 PM »

Erik's manner of post aside, I do really appreciate both sides of the coin. It's always better to know of the quirks going into it rather finding out later on. I've postponed an interface purchase for a while to do a little more research and pay off some other gear. Pyramix live? Please do let us in on that.

Thanks again
n8
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