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J.J. Blair

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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2008, 06:39:26 pm »

Rolff!  It's nice to see you, my man.  Stick around, please!
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2008, 11:49:56 pm »

tom eaton wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 13:22

...a Sony C800g



Yikes!
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2008, 11:55:30 pm »

compasspnt wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 23:49

tom eaton wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 13:22

...a Sony C800g



Yikes!




Note the difference in her vocal sound between her early records and more recent releases.

Both are good but they are VERY different.



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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #93 on: February 20, 2008, 12:00:16 am »

compasspnt wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 22:49

tom eaton wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 13:22

...a Sony C800g



Yikes!



Terry...
A bit off topic, but...
I am curious about this mic. For the amount of money they fetch and the comments I see about them, whats your take? Yikes can mean good or bad...for that money I could buy a couple of really good mics.
That heat sink looking thing makes me nervous.
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #94 on: February 20, 2008, 12:18:14 am »

Yikes bad.

To my ears, the 800 is "pre-EQ'd" in a not very pretty way.  It seems to work a lot on Hip-Hop sessions, where everything needs to thrash through the muck.  Very (almost artificially) bright sounding.

I would guess that's why the post says there was much work to be done after the fact.


I would personally not have one of the beasts.

For that money, there are many nice mics to be had.
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #95 on: February 20, 2008, 12:25:39 am »

In the discussion that I linked above, Gary talks about the relative brightness of the mic and that he spends quite a bit of time removing mouth noises and manually riding ss.  What's the plural of s?  ss?

Anyway, yes.  Big expensive bright mic that sounds good if you take out all the stuff that sounds bad about it.

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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #96 on: February 20, 2008, 12:26:34 am »

Eric Merrill wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 21:55

compasspnt wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 23:49

tom eaton wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 13:22

...a Sony C800g



Yikes!




Note the difference in her vocal sound between her early records and more recent releases.

Both are good but they are VERY different.



Eric


Hence the question in the first place. I've been following Alison since I first saw her in a fiddle contest in Winfield Kansas...which she won rather handily. Then she got this great career as a vocal star with Union Station going and her sound HAS changed a lot over the years and I couldn't figure out why this soft, gorgeous tone was so dynamic in detail.

That mic may be a very expensive paper weight in every other case, but with that engineer and his method on that woman's voice, it's enchanting.  

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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #97 on: February 20, 2008, 12:28:49 am »

And I didn't mean to diminish the question. Sorry. I just like saying how great she is at every chance.
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #98 on: February 20, 2008, 12:46:46 am »

Perhaps she could be a guest moderator.

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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #99 on: February 20, 2008, 12:52:28 am »

tom eaton wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 22:46

Perhaps she could be a guest moderator.

t


Indeed. Especially now that she's moved into producing other people. She did a great job with Alan Jackson.

Wide ears.
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #100 on: February 20, 2008, 12:55:28 am »

compasspnt wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 23:18

Yikes bad.

To my ears, the 800 is "pre-EQ'd" in a not very pretty way.  It seems to work a lot on Hip-Hop sessions, where everything needs to thrash through the muck.  Very bright and harsh sounding.

I would guess that's why the post says there was much work to be done after the fact.


I would personally not have one of the beasts.

For that money, there are many nice mics to be had.


Thank you.
I have never worked with one and when I saw the post about having to work through its personality to remove what was objectionable it seemed like a waste of time. Maybe there is merit with an inverse approach to capturing tonal depth and then going back to remove what isn't needed is a long path to the desired result.
Am I missing something here? I remember when these mics hit the market and everybody seemed to get one because they were the new kid on the block. I guess the 251 and 47 get the nod for a reason.
Lets get back to the Church.
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #101 on: February 20, 2008, 01:20:08 am »

I was so jazzed by the Church mic on acoustic about 25 years ago I took a FET 47 capsule and built a 6072 stage and a totem-pole cathode follower after it, ala Sax. I still used a transformer, but a fat one, in the PS.

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It worked pretty good for the low level stuff actually. Same vibe, but grainy compared to the Church. I still have it here now and your mic build is making me want to start again with it with some new circuits, Billy.

I can always snap it back on the FET body if it's a dud. Cool
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2008, 02:12:58 am »

That Korby supply bears little resemblance to the stock psu, especially w/the silicon, which is left to your devices to determine the value of. Hell,  people own Bradley psu's and thing their Neumanns sound right in this day and age! The mic photo also shows mods which are "value judgements".
JJ- John's mics are mostly stock (!), including the brown leather bound psu.
Yates- I understand what you are saying based on how many mics you and I have respectively been inside of. It is well built compared to some of the things out there, new and vintage. I just know all the flaws so I can't hold it in quite the esteem that I hold others. It's the curse of designing and thinking from a mfg/service viewpoint: if the performance is not beyond spectacular the flaws become more evident.
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2008, 10:43:54 am »

dbock wrote on Fri, 22 February 2008 01:12

That Korby supply bears little resemblance to the stock psu, especially w/the silicon, which is left to your devices to determine the value of. Hell,  people own Bradley psu's and thing their Neumanns sound right in this day and age! The mic photo also shows mods which are "value judgements".
JJ- John's mics are mostly stock (!), including the brown leather bound psu.
Yates- I understand what you are saying based on how many mics you and I have respectively been inside of. It is well built compared to some of the things out there, new and vintage. I just know all the flaws so I can't hold it in quite the esteem that I hold others. It's the curse of designing and thinking from a mfg/service viewpoint: if the performance is not beyond spectacular the flaws become more evident.
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David...
That was stated very well, thank you.
Defining the flaws and correcting them is an interesting subject.
At some point you have to consider what course of action to take which leads me to these questions David...
In evaluating and passing a high grade onto a microphone, what gold standard is used?
Is it just ears? Reference measurements using test apparatus?
All of the above and more? If you could, describe a typical test and evaluation set up. For many...myself included, this is one of the most fascinating aspects of audio.
For the record, my studio is the microscope and the gold standard are several good sets of ears. Then trying to get 2 or more engineers to agree is another story.
Again, thanks for posting David.
By the way, please contribute on PSW when convenient, your participation is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Church Mic
« Reply #104 on: March 07, 2008, 08:45:25 pm »

Quote:

In evaluating and passing a high grade onto a microphone, what gold standard is used?
Is it just ears? Reference measurements using test apparatus?

At this point for me it is a combination of the two, with the test equipment usually confirming what I think I hear. Of course, construction, servicability, style, etc factor in as well. Mics with obvious gimmicky design, funny names, and poor finish are of little interest to me.

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