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rnicklaus

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2008, 06:39:33 pm »

Barry Hufker wrote on Mon, 11 February 2008 15:36

rnicklaus wrote on Mon, 11 February 2008 17:30

studiojimi wrote on Mon, 11 February 2008 14:51

and

should we just throw out "one nation under God"???




You do know this was added in the '50's under Eisenhower, correct?

<<Eisenhower was instrumental in the addition of the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, and the 1956 adoption of "In God We Trust" as the motto of the US, and its 1957 introduction on paper currency.>>



And your point would be...


Just making sure that when someone refers to one nation under God, that everyone knows where it came from.  Simple as that.
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2008, 07:40:21 pm »

my point would be that the founding fathers explicitly put in writing that there was to be no co-mingling of church and state, so I think it is a smudging of that rule. Smile
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2008, 01:06:33 am »

http://www.shadoehaze.com/photo-galleries/Christmas%20Stuff/dead%20santa.jpg
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2008, 01:28:12 am »

rnicklaus wrote on Mon, 11 February 2008 15:39

Barry Hufker wrote on Mon, 11 February 2008 15:36

rnicklaus wrote on Mon, 11 February 2008 17:30

studiojimi wrote on Mon, 11 February 2008 14:51

and

should we just throw out "one nation under God"???




You do know this was added in the '50's under Eisenhower, correct?

<<Eisenhower was instrumental in the addition of the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, and the 1956 adoption of "In God We Trust" as the motto of the US, and its 1957 introduction on paper currency.>>



And your point would be...


Just making sure that when someone refers to one nation under God, that everyone knows where it came from.  Simple as that.




i was born in 1950 and believe me it was a great time to be alive and be an american

i guess most any time a great time to be alive

i like ike

all the info is here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2008, 12:02:29 pm »

Jimi,

You and I had a different 1950s!  I was born in '54 so I don't remember too much.  And life was fine I guess because I was a kid.  But I don't look back fondly on the 50s -- a time of mediocrity, red-scare and blandness.  Thank goodness Elvis came along!


George,

That is one AWFUL picture.  It breaks my heart to see that kid cry.  Granted its probably all photo-shopped but boy that's mean.


"One nation under God" -- I was just asking that's all.  I wondered if there was something larger to learn from the history.

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #95 on: February 12, 2008, 02:02:52 pm »

When people say this is a Christian nation, it depends on what you mean.

Christian in the sense that the population is overwhelmingly Christian? Obviously.

Christian in the sense that the majority culture  grows out of Christian traditions? Hard to argue with that.

Christian in the same sense that Iran is Muslim? Absolutely not. But that's what Huckabee and the religious right is talking about.

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #96 on: February 12, 2008, 06:32:37 pm »

PRobb wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:02


Christian in the same sense that Iran is Muslim? Absolutely not. But that's what Huckabee and the religious right is talking about.




This is an honest question, can one be anything but a Muslim in Iran?
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #97 on: February 12, 2008, 06:44:29 pm »

Yes - there are still Jews there. They may not want to go running around with their torahs in the streets, but they are there.

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #98 on: February 12, 2008, 06:50:10 pm »

fiasco wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 23:32

PRobb wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:02


Christian in the same sense that Iran is Muslim? Absolutely not. But that's what Huckabee and the religious right is talking about.




This is an honest question, can one be anything but a Muslim in Iran?



Yes, non muslims make up between 1 and 2% of the population.

Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism are official religions and have legal rights (there are even seats in parliament reserved for Armenians, Assyrians, Jews and Zoroastrians), and there are others which are officially frowned upon but seem to continue, for example there are something like 300,000 bahais there.

I think it would be rather enthusiastic to refer to the situation there as freedom of religion, far from it, but it's not quite as bad as some people would have you believe, and from what I can see the situation under the shah wasn't all that much better for religious minorities (it was better however).
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #99 on: February 12, 2008, 08:44:07 pm »

Jon wrote:
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... but it's not quite as bad as some people would have you believe...



I have no doubt of that.
I live about 2 miles from a huge mosque(?) where they fly the flags of many Muslim nations, and the U.S. flag.
I shop at their stores and converse with them. I know the majority of Muslims are just like everyone else, and I know that opinions can be, and usually are skewed.

I think that goes for everyone.
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #100 on: February 12, 2008, 09:02:03 pm »

It is also important to note not all Muslims are the same as to how they practice their religion.  Muslims of the Middle East are not at all like who you'd find in Eastern Europe.  VERY different.
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #101 on: February 13, 2008, 11:22:16 am »

This is the best political thread I've ever stumbled into...  I think I learned something from you arrogant bastards Shocked
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #102 on: February 13, 2008, 01:00:15 pm »

Kris wrote on Wed, 13 February 2008 08:22

This is the best political thread I've ever stumbled into...  I think I learned something from you arrogant bastards Shocked



Well Mr. Stumbler, here's a lil' mo schoolin'
4 ya

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This is a profound writing.  No matter your politics, you owe it to yourself to read and pass on so we all are informed of what's going on in our world!



Another assessment of where the US stands in relation to the   Middle East problems, this one is from the guy who had his   finger on the nuclear trigger for three years as head of our   defense and response complex buried under Cheyenne   Mountain at Colorado Springs . He was the only person   who could initiate a nuclear attack after advising the sitting   president of a missile launch by our enemies and our need   to respond.  



No political or civilian type in the US had more   knowledge about day to day military actions around the   world.  Everyone should find quiet time to read this.   As far as I am concerned, it is exactly the direction we   should go and the consequences of not doing so   are well thought out.   John R. (Jack) Farrington Major General, USAF (Retired)





Middle East Imperative

BY: JIM CASH, Brig.  Gen., USAF, Ret.



I wrote recently about the war in Iraq and the larger war against radical Islam, eliciting a number of responses.  Let me try and put this conflict in proper perspective.

Understand, the current battle we are engaged in is much bigger than just Iraq.What happens in the next year will affect this country and how our kids and grandkids live throughout their lifetime, and beyond.  Radical Islam has been attacking the West since the seventh century. They have been defeated in the past and decimated to the point of taking hundreds of years to recover.  But they can never be totally defeated. Their birth rates are so far beyond civilized world rates that in time they recover and attempt to dominate again.



There are eight terror-sponsoring countries that make up the grand threat to the West.  Two , Saudi Arabia and Pakistan , just need firm pressure from the West to make major reforms.  They need to decide who they are really going to support and commit to that support.  That answer is simple.  They both will support who they think will hang in there until the end, and win. We are not sending very good signals in that direction right now, thanks to the Democrats.

The other six, Afghanistan , Iraq , Iran , Syria , North Korea and Libya will require regime change or a major policy shift.  Now, let's look more closely.



Afghanistan and Iraq have both had regime changes, but are being fueled by outsiders from Syria and  Iran.  We have scared Gaddafi's pants off, and he has given up his quest for nuclear weapons, so I don't think Libya is now a threat.



 North Korea (the non-Islamic threat) can be handled diplomatically by buying them off.  They are starving.  That leaves Syria and Iran. Syria is like a frightened puppy.  Without the support of Iran, they will join the stronger side.  So where does that leave us?  Sooner, or later, we are going to be forced to confront Iran , and it better be before they gain nuclear capability.

In 1989 I served as a Command Director inside the Cheyenne Mountain complex located in Colorado Springs , Colorado, for almost three years. My job there was to observe (through classified means) every missile shot anywhere in the world and assess if it was a threat to the US or Canada .  If any shot was threatening to either nation, I had only minutes to advise the President, as he had only minutes to respond.



I watched Iran and Iraq shoot missiles at each other every day, and all day long, for months.  They killed hundreds of thousands of their people.  Know why? They were fighting for control of the Middle East and that enormous oil supply.



At that time, they were preoccupied with their internal problems and could care less about toppling the west.  Oil prices were fairly stable and we could not see an immediate threat.  Well, the worst part of what we have done as a nation in Iraq is to do away with the military capability of one of those nations.  Now, Iran has a clear field to dominate the Middle East, since Iraq is no longer a threat to them. They have turned their attention to the only other threat to their dominance, they are convinced they will win, because the US is so divided, and the Democrats (who now control Congress and may control the Presidency in 2008) have openly said we are pulling out.



Do you have any idea what will happen if the entire Middle East turns their support to Iran , which they will obviously do if we pull out?  It is not the price of oil we will have to worry about.  Oil WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE to this country at any price.  I personally would vote for any presidential candidate who did what JFK did with the space program---declare a goal to bring this country to total energy independence in a decade.



Yes, it is about oil.  The economy in this country will totally die if that Middle East supply is cut off right now.  It will not be a recession. It will be a depression that will make 1929 look like the "good-old-days ". The bottom line here is simple.  If Iran is forced to fall in line, the fighting in Iraq will end over night, and the nightmare will be over.

One way or another, Iran must be forced to join modern times and the global community.  It may mean a real war---if so, now is the time, before we face a nuclear Iran with the capacity to destroy  Israel and begin a new ice age.



I urge you to read the book "END GAME" by two of our best Middle East experts, true American patriots and retired military generals, Paul Vallely and Tom McInerney.  They are our finest, and totally honest in their assessment of why victory in the Middle East is so important, and how it can be won.  Proceeds for the book go directly to memorial fund for our fallen soldiers who served the country during the war on terror.  You can find that book by going to the internet through Stand-up America at www.ospreyradio.us or www.rightalk.com.

On the other hand, we have several very angry retired generals today, who evidently have not achieved their lofty goals, and insist on ranting and raving about the war.  They are wrong, and doing the country great harm by giving a certain political party reason to use them as experts to back their anti-war claims.



You may be one of those who believe nothing could ever be terrible enough to support our going to war.  If that is the case , I should stop here, as that level of thinking approaches mental disability in this day and age.  It is right up there with alien abductions and high altitude seeding through government aircraft contrails.  I helped produce those contrails for almost 30 years, and I can assure you we were not seeding the atmosphere.  The human race is a war-like population, and if a country is not willing to protect itself, it deserves the consequences. Nuff -said!!!



Now, my last comments will get to the nerve.  They will be on politics. I am not a Republican.  And, George Bush has made enough mistakes as President to insure my feelings about that for the rest of my life. However, the Democratic Party has moved so far left, they have made me support those farther to the right.  I am a conservative who totally supports the Constitution of this country.  The only difference between the United States and the South American, third world, dictator infested and ever-changing South American governments, is our US Constitution.



This Republic (note I did not say Democracy) is the longest standing the  world has ever known, but it is vulnerable.  It would take so little to  change it through economic upheaval.  There was a time when politicians could disagree, but still work together.  We are past that time, and that is the initial step toward the downfall of our form of government.



I think that many view Bush-hating as payback time.  The Republicans hated the Clinton 's and now the Democrats hate Bush.  So, both parties are putting their hate toward willingness to do anything for political dominance to include lying and always taking the opposite stand just for the sake of being opposed.  



JUST HOW GOOD IS THAT FOR OUR COUNTRY?

In my lifetime, after serving in uniform for Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Bush, I have a pretty good feel for which party supported our military, and what military life was like under each of their terms.  And, let me assure you that times were best under the Republicans.



Service under Jimmy Carter was devastating for all branches of the military. And, Ronald Regan was truly a salvation.  You can choose to listen to enriched newscasters, and foolish people like John Murtha (he is no war hero), Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Michael Moore, Jane Fonda , Harry Reid, Russ Feingold, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and on-and-on to include the true fools in Hollywood if you like.  If you do, your conclusions will be totally wrong.



The reason that I write, appear on radio talk shows, and do everything I can to denounce those people is simple.  THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR THIRST  FOR POLITICAL POWER AND QUEST FOR VICTORY IN 2008 ABOVE WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS COUNTRY.  I cannot abide that. Pelosi clearly defied the Logan Act by going to Syria , which should have lead to imprisonment of three years and a heavy fine.



Jane Fonda did more to prolong the Vietnam war than any other human being (as acknowledged by Ho Chi Minh in his writing before he died). She truly should have been indicted for treason, along with her radical husband, Tom Hayden, and forced to pay the consequences.

This country has started to soften by not enforcing its laws, which is another indication of a Republic about to fall.  All Democrats, along with the Hollywood elite, are sending us headlong into a total defeat in the Middle East, which will finally give Iran total dominance in the region. A lack of oil in the near future will be the final straw that dooms this Republic.  However, if we refuse to let this happen and really get serious about an energy self-sufficiency program, this can be avoided.  I am afraid, however, that we are going in the opposite direction.



If we elect Hillary Clinton and a Democrat-controlled congress, and they carry through with allowing Iran to take control of the Middle East, continue to refuse development of nuclear energy, refuse to allow drilling for new oil, and continue to do nothing but oppose everything Bush, it will be over in terms of what we view as the good life in the USA .

Now, do I think that all who do not support the war are un-American -- of course not.  They just do not understand the importance of total victory in that region.  Another failure of George Bush is his inability to explain to the American people why we are there, and why we MUST win.  By the way, it is not a war.  The war was won four years ago.  It is martial law that is under attack by Iranian and Syrian outside influences, and there is a difference.



So, what do I believe?  What is the bottom line?  I will simply say that the Democratic Party has fielded the foulest, power hungry, anti-country, self -absorbed group of individuals that I have observed in my lifetime.  Our educational system is partially to blame for allowing the mass of  America to be taken in by this group.  George Bush has done the best he can with the disabilities that he possesses.



A President must communicate with the people.  And, I would tell you that Desert Storm spoiled the people.  Bush Senior's 100-hour war convinced the people that technology has progressed to the point that wars could be fought with no casualties and won in very short periods of time.  I remember feeling at the time, that this was a tragedy for the US military.



To win wars, you must put boots on the ground. When you put boots on the ground, soldiers are going to die.  A President must make the war decision wisely, and insure that the cause is right before using his last political option.  However, CONTROLLING IRAN AND DEMOCRATIZING THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE ONLY CHOICE IF WE ARE HELL-BENT ON DEPENDING ON THEM FOR OUR FUTURE ENERGY NEEDS.

Jimmy L. Cash, Brig. Gen., USAF  (Ret.)
Lakeside, Montana 59922



"I'll tell you what war is all about, you've got to kill people,

and when you've killed enough, they stop fighting."

Gen. Curtis LeMay

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #103 on: February 13, 2008, 08:27:17 pm »

That's MISTER Arrogant Bastard, to you.


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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #104 on: February 13, 2008, 08:37:08 pm »

Gee, Barry, you reminded me I have the "It's mister asshole to you" button floating around somewhere.
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