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J.J. Blair

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2008, 11:34:24 am »

danickstr wrote on Sun, 10 February 2008 07:07

It never reflects well on a person to lose their temper.  At least not in print on an archivable server.


Yeah, you're right.  I'm having a bad day.  A bad week, actually.  

Sorry I called you an idiot, George.  You can just be very, very frustrating when you state these huge mistruths with such certainty.
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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2008, 11:41:54 am »

JJ, is it possible that even though american banks were not allowed to deal with Germany once the war started, financing from other countries was possible?

and if this is so, was there any relaying of cash or goods through a third non-american party or affiliate.

just out of curiosity, I don't doubt your knowledge.
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2008, 12:49:02 pm »

Max, first off, Germany didn't need our money during the war, so financing is not an issue.  Even though some American businesses were complicit in helping Germany rebuild itself during the 1930's, once they started invading other countries, they had an endless supply of loot and slave labor.  The only issue was whether or not Americans sold them goods or did business, to profit off of them.

In a situation like UBC, if a company, even a large bank like that, was caught doing business with the enemy, even if members of their board of directors were U.S. Senators, their assets were seized.  With draconian consequences like that, not too many people tried it.  

As much as I dislike Bush, the notion that Prescott Bush was actively aiding the enemy, while his son was actively fighting against them, is laughable.  George H. W. Bush was a TBM pilot, fighting against the Axis.  Who are you going to back, the Axis or your son?  I mean, the Bushes may be ultra rich, robber barons, but they don't eat their young.
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"The negative aspects of this business, not only will continue to prevail, but will continue to accelerate in madness. Conditions aren't going to get better, because the economics of rock and roll are getting closer and closer to the economics of Big Business America." - Bill Graham

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« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2008, 01:16:34 pm »

interesting.

so who financed the rise to power of Hitler? were they involved during that time-period?


BTW is it true that the Germans were forced into the war because other countries were boycotting german goods?

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2008, 01:24:33 pm »

MDM, wrote on Sun, 10 February 2008 13:16

interesting.

so who financed the rise to power of Hitler? were they involved during that time-period?


BTW is it true that the Germans were forced into the war because other countries were boycotting german goods?





George, I'm thinkin' you better get used to the idea that we Americans are a bunch of evil bastards and we are coming to get you!!! We are a Horrible people with bad intentions.. We as Americans spend all our time trying to figure out how to make your life a living hell.. there is not one normal person among us..

Hillary Clinton is holding talks with GWB an Obama as we speak in an effort to find you and have you jailed.. Then, as you know, we are going to Cook and Eat you.. Just like we do everyone else..

You knew all this already though, apparently Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2008, 01:36:20 pm »

John Ivan wrote on Sun, 10 February 2008 19:24

MDM, wrote on Sun, 10 February 2008 13:16

interesting.

so who financed the rise to power of Hitler? were they involved during that time-period?


BTW is it true that the Germans were forced into the war because other countries were boycotting german goods?





George, I'm thinkin' you better get used to the idea that we Americans are a bunch of evil bastards and we are coming to get you!!! We are a Horrible people with bad intentions.. We as Americans spend all our time trying to figure out how to make your life a living hell.. there is not one normal person among us..

Hillary Clinton is holding talks with GWB an Obama as we speak in an effort to find you and have you jailed.. Then, as you know, we are going to Cook and Eat you.. Just like we do everyone else..

You knew all this already though, apparently Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

Ivan...................


if you dont come and takeaway all my cheese.. I will be the idiotic George for the end of your time..calm and secured  Cool
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2008, 01:39:04 pm »

J.J. Blair wrote on Sun, 10 February 2008 17:28

George, you never answered the question which I asked twice: Have you ever been to the US?


we had this discussion some time ago. no I wasn't. a friend of mine mixed a tour with necrophagist and he was very impressed by the US.


for example: it was not possible to go from Shoppingmall A to shoppingmall B by feet. you had to take your car and drive the 0.01 mile or you had to cross an 8 lanes-highway.  Laughing

but in general he liked the sex he had there, as it was very easy for him to dingdong girls, so because the most porn is comming from the US and the experience from my friend, you deserve it to live  Very Happy
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2008, 02:22:09 pm »

MDM, wrote on Sun, 10 February 2008 10:16

interesting.

so who financed the rise to power of Hitler? were they involved during that time-period?


There were many people who thought that the idea of a strong Germany was a good idea, during the 30s.  Some national heroes even, like Charles Lindburgh and Henry Ford were sympathetic to the Nazis, as well as the Duke of Windsor.  Mind you, nobody knew where this was all going at the time.  However, the official policy of the U.S, government was that Germany was still an enemy.  They were still under the impact of the Versailles Treaty, which by the time 1935 rolled around, they were completely ignoring with a major rebuilding of their army.  The US did not have a very good standing army, and were very wary of the German build up.

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BTW is it true that the Germans were forced into the war because other countries were boycotting german goods?




That's bullshit.  Germany wasn't forced into anything.  It started with them reclaiming the Sudetenland, and snowballed from there.  They got into the war because they were ashamed of what happened to them after WW1, and they had to prove themselves to be the great and proud empire they always were.  Like I said, Hitler's idol was Frederick the Great.  This was the model he was following.  

He had himself fought in WW1, which he recalled as the happiest time of his life.  He was so humiliated by the surrender and terms of the Versailles Treaty, and like most Germans, blamed the German Jews for negotiating the surrender.

And given the battered state of their economy at the time he took power, and the longing for a leader and national pride, he was able to manipulate public opinion in a very similar way to what we witnessed here in 2003.  You can sell a large bunch of people on some very evil bullshit under the right circumstances.  
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"The negative aspects of this business, not only will continue to prevail, but will continue to accelerate in madness. Conditions aren't going to get better, because the economics of rock and roll are getting closer and closer to the economics of Big Business America." - Bill Graham

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« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2008, 02:29:47 pm »

George, in any country, absolute power corrupts absolutely.  You have have a people with good intentions, but the people leading them drift astray of their convictions.  And then you just have some sociopathic, evil and greedy bastards, like Dick Cheney, who do atrocious things, and then cry "patriotism."

I'm embarrassed by my president.  I'm embarrassed by many of the ignorant people that live here.  But I'm proud of my country and the principles for which we are intended to stand.
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"The Internet enables pompous blowhards to interact with other pompous blowhards in a big circle jerk of pomposity." - Bill Maher

"The negative aspects of this business, not only will continue to prevail, but will continue to accelerate in madness. Conditions aren't going to get better, because the economics of rock and roll are getting closer and closer to the economics of Big Business America." - Bill Graham

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2008, 02:42:09 pm »

J.J. Blair wrote on Sun, 10 February 2008 20:29


I'm embarrassed by my president.  I'm embarrassed by many of the ignorant people that live here.  But I'm proud of my country and the principles for which we are intended to stand.


I have no problem that you are proud, I think patrotism and idiotism are a thin line.
we have patriots in Switzerland with no hair and a baseballbat that claim themselve patriots. denmark/belgium are 2 of the most racisistic countries in europe and both inhabitants are very proud of their homeland.

Australia had a law, that no blackman is allowed to live there or move in. that was in 1971 when they dismissed that law, if I am right (have to read it again).

I would be proud of any country that has a good balance of controlling people, giving people freedom/good social-security and confidence, governement is more or less transparent and make sense.

we are all humans, not inhabitants of diffrent countries.

cheers


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« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2008, 04:51:02 pm »

myNameIsGeorge wrote on Mon, 11 February 2008 04:42


Australia had a law, that no blackman is allowed to live there or move in. that was in 1971 when they dismissed that law, if I am right (have to read it again).




I think you might be referring to the old "White Australia Policy" which was all about immigration policy. Exceptions were made if an applicant had specific skills that we were lacking in order to build our country.

It would have been difficult to stop blackmen living here as, well...our native inhabitants who have occupied this land for 40 000 - yes, that's forty thousand - years are black...although we haven't treated them all that well....

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« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2008, 10:34:00 pm »

Seems like they would have been there longer than 40k years, since there were no boats of which I am aware.

but since man originated on east Africa 4 million years ago, how did they get there?

found this:

More than 30,000 years ago the population of the world was small, and people lived in family groups, hunting, fishing and food gathering. There where no cultivated crops, animals were not herded for food and metalworking was yet to be discovered.

At that time, known as the last great Ice Age, Australia was joined to New Guinea. Islands such as Java and Borneo were larger than today, sea passages between them narrower. This made it possible for the ancestors of the people now called Australian Aboriginals to reach Australia from lands to the north.

Aboriginal Raft (picture of a shady raft) It is not known from where the Aboriginals began their journey, but it is certain that people with some kind of water craft crossed the 100 - 160 kilometres stretches of water between the islands to the north; and reach the southern continent. This sea voyage is the earliest evidence of sea travel by prehistoric man.
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« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2008, 10:52:53 pm »

myNameIsGeorge wrote on Sun, 10 February 2008 14:42


I would be proud of any country that has a good balance of controlling people, giving people freedom/good social-security and confidence, governement is more or less transparent and make sense.

we are all humans, not inhabitants of diffrent countries.

cheers






We are Human inhabitants of the Earth who do live in different countries. And for what it's worth, being someone who actually lives here, I can tell you that we have a "pretty Good" balance of "Controlling people" giving people freedom OK social security and confidence. Our Government is relatively transparent too..

As you know, we are working harder than we have in quite a while as citizens to make all these things better than "Pretty Good".. This is why we are going to elect new people this year.. Whether you like it or not, these people are NOT all the same..You just think we are all the same out of ignorance.

Hope that clears some things up for you there George..

Ivan..........................
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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2008, 11:45:34 pm »

"i've been a lot of places in my life and times"

(thank you Leon)

i'm grateful to live where i live and how i live

i'm grateful for what i have and how i was able to get it by being here and not somewhere else.

i wish i didn't have to pay over $400 per month for health insurance that i don't even think is all that good but i have hope for the future in america in that dept.

other than that, i would not trade a thing as i know i am able to achieve my wildest dreams in this country.

i'm not real happy about someone needlessly posting arrogant and aggressively postured critical posts about my country in here.

sure they are free to do so

God bless.

you can't take what we have away from us

i'm thinking deep down you are an american wannabe and just plain jealous of our endless possibilities

we'll straighten out this mess the politicians have created.

hopefully i'll see real improvement in my lifetime




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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
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