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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2008, 05:10:44 pm »

rnicklaus wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 21:27

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studjojimi is all 3.

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2008, 05:34:45 pm »

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2008, 10:40:38 pm »

studiojimi wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 17:34

myNameIsGeorge wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:23


who is studjiojimmy?



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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2008, 11:30:38 pm »

MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 08:01

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There really are people here who want the best for their fellow Americans AND the rest of the world.. There are people running for President who understand that a National health care system, for instance, would be GOOD for our Country. They don't care that certain special interest corporations don't like it.What concerns them is the welfare of the people.. They understand that by making as many lives as possible better they make their lives better..



John, if money weren't involved I would agree with you.

unfortunately it is, and there will be a lot of very HAPPY corporations involved in any government-controlled health-care system..

the government will take more money from the citizens to pay for the healthcare, it will take a part of that money to pay the people who organize the heath-care system, another part will be given to corporations which will manufacture the goods once they get contracts from the governments, another part will go into phantom offices which are put there to earn a bit off money etc. etc..

if you look at the MAJOR supporters of politicians in terms of cash, you will see much corporate influence..

there is nothing more that the corporate crowd would love to see than a government which ASSURES them work-contracts with 'flexible' terms..

in a free market society the only way to regulate prices and quality successfully is through OPEN COMPETITION .


if people weren't so poor they could take care of themselves.

a socialist government in america would only put the corporations at the helm of the government..

their only desire is to provide permanent services to be paid for with the IMMENSE and UNLIMITED pool of money which comes from taxation.



Ok, MDM,, but I'm not someone who thinks that Businesses making money is a bad thing.. I just think it's been done badly and unfairly. There should be no problem with a couple Guys/Gals starting a business that bids and gets Government contracts.. The government should not do everything.. They should do things they do well.-- {Yeah,, ha, there's a big set of arguments here and the fact that I'm quite liberal may or may not inform you about where I stand on certain issues.}--

If people want to, they can have fair contracts represented by our Government that can save the tax payers money.. The way it is now, we would be better off letting the actual government RUN the "businesses" and hire the people directly..The lack of over site and sudden price change regarding goods and services related to Government Contracts is a crime.. It does not have to be this way though..

Certain things, in my opinion, should be run by the Government.. Like the FAA for instance.. If this is done correctly, the Government can be a great employer.. Civil service is dieing in this country and that is very sad to me.. I think Health care should be a combination of Business and Government, but we need to fire a few hundred people before we go anywhere near that..

For now, I'm a single payer fan..


Just try to remember MDM, there really isn't a conspiracy under the desk of every Government employee nor is there one attached to every Contract..

Ivan.........................
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2008, 01:18:58 am »

John Ivan wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 19:40

studiojimi wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 17:34

myNameIsGeorge wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:23


who is studjiojimmy?



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and if this doesn't work i'll hit him where it counts

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2008, 02:43:21 am »

he loves me.

btw, why are you still paying income tax? you don't have a law for it..

and JJ, the US had more money from Hitler than the swiss ever had in the 2nd WW. they were financing his rise and fall.. we are talking about bankiers right now, not the governement. union banking corp..  Shocked

the US oilindustrie gave hitler an additive (oil liquid) for his airplanes to fly.

we might have bunker a lot of gold, so we were not beeing kept from the NAZIs, but you were fighting and supporting him at the same time. what is more stupid? (or may I ask: what is more rentable).

the grandfather of George W. Bush was the CEO and shareholder of this bank. now you will say: "Uh George, you have surfed the internet too much".. no, JJ. there was an investigation during the 2.WW and the union banking corp had to freeze this money for a certain time. now you have a new order:
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2008, 09:37:29 am »

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 There should be no problem with a couple Guys/Gals starting a business that bids and gets Government contracts..



that is not what ends up happening though, because the politicians who get 'financed' by corporations usually end up going to office..

money talks.. with enough money you can win elections..

the fact that NOBODY outside the two parties even gets talked about is PROOF that politics is bullshit.

anyone should be able to run for office based on their merits..

instead you have corporate-funded actor/politician/stars which, once elected, are EXPECTED to create business for the corporations and RETURN the investment which was made in regards to financing campaigns etc..

huckabee, clinton, obama etc.. are not the ONLY ones who should be running, but they are the ONLY ONES TO GET EXPOSURE and media support..
add electronic voting to the picture..


does that seem fair or democratic to you??

washington is in the hands of big business, and this is not good by any means..

you don't seem to understand that big business only exists to make money, and as corporations they are legally bound to do anything within their power to increase earnings..

if government runs everything then corporations will run everything, not mom and pop operations as you say.



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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2008, 10:34:56 am »

MDM, wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 14:37

you don't seem to understand that big business only exists to make money, and as corporations they are legally bound to do anything within their power to increase earnings..


I've looked into this claim a little further.

Actually philanthropy is part of the policy of many corporations, from one man companies through to huge corporations like Coke, Wal Mart and the pharmaceutticals. Every year billions is donated in cash, goods, and services.

Now how much of this is down to genuine altruism and how much is down to it being a business decision (investing money in the goodwill of the public and your own employees thus strengthening your image and improving future profits) is debatable... I'd say it's probably much more of the second, but not exclusively so (since not everyone publicizes these donations). However the reason is irrelevant in this context, what is important it that many corporations do not simply work on a policy of screwing the maximum amount of money out as possible today.

In a slightly different, but related context, the Cooperative bank has an ethical investment policy for their business accounts, which means that they list in black and white the sorts of companies that they will invest your money in, and those that they won't. Now are they doing this because they think it's the right thing to do... or are they doing it because they think it will attract more customers? Well even if it's 100% the latter in their case, that would only work if their potential client base (other businesses) considered that to be a factor alongside fees, interest rates etc.

Of course it would be foolish to simply trust in the altruism (or long sightedness) of corporations with something like healthcare, or education or anything else. Proper competition in bidding for contracts and proper oversight and accountability are essential (but all too often non existant).

Advocates of a sompletly Free Market approach to such things seem to conveniently ignore the fact that when it existed before large swathes of the population had almost no chance of education or healthcare.... oh and that was during a century with overall deflation before you go off into that one Max.
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2008, 11:31:42 am »

tax cuts, public relations .. that's why corps. give away money.

COKE earns billions.

as far as the 19th century, the reason for the change was the industrial revolution, which initially impoverished but after a transition period created wealth.
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2008, 11:55:07 am »

MDM, wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 16:31

tax cuts, public relations .. that's why corps. give away money.


Well the tax breaks don't actually give you any money when you give it to charity.. you just get the satisfaction in knowing that a chunk of what you're giving would otherwise have gone to the treasury... which I find rather pleasant personally.

I did state the case of public relations quite clearly.

MDM, wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 16:31


COKE earns billions.


Tell me something I don't know. Still doesn't change the fact that not all of their policies are based on directly quantifiable profit, which is what you keep implying.
MDM, wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 16:31


as far as the 19th century, the reason for the change was the industrial revolution, which initially impoverished but after a transition period created wealth.

Who did it impoverish? The reason people went to those industrial jobs was that they paid so much better than the alternatives. They were also generally really bad for your health.

Anyway, I don;t see anything in your statement which is in any way a defence of your unrestricted free market ideals.

I also find it quite amusing that on the one hand you seem to think that all corporations and banks are in league with each other to impoverish and enslave the proletariat... but then because Ron Paul says the free market is the answer to everything you suddenly trust them to compete honestly when it comes to healthcare.
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2008, 01:44:50 pm »

myNameIsGeorge wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 23:43

he loves me.

btw, why are you still paying income tax? you don't have a law for it..


You pay taxes there in ways you are not aware of.

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and JJ, the US had more money from Hitler than the swiss ever had in the 2nd WW. they were financing his rise and fall.. we are talking about bankiers right now, not the governement. union banking corp..  Shocked

the US oilindustrie gave hitler an additive (oil liquid) for his airplanes to fly.


Not once the war started.  Redo your homework.  In fact, the importance of invading Serbia and the Caucasus was to take the oil fields, and US Banks were not allowed to do business with German companies.  Stop reading those comic books, George.

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we might have bunker a lot of gold, so we were not beeing kept from the NAZIs, but you were fighting and supporting him at the same time. what is more stupid? (or may I ask: what is more rentable).

the grandfather of George W. Bush was the CEO and shareholder of this bank. now you will say: "Uh George, you have surfed the internet too much".. no, JJ. there was an investigation during the 2.WW and the union banking corp had to freeze this money for a certain time. now you have a new order:
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When you say "you," if you mean the US, then you are wrong.  Individuals with Nazi sympathies did, and they paid the price for it.  It's called "trading wit the enemy" and it was illegal.  And Prescot Bush was a bank board member, not a CEO.  I take it that you don't know how a bank board works.  I'm not defending Bush, but the board has nothing to do with the operations of the bank.  

Please get your facts straight, when trying to vilify this country.  

Regardless, as I said, the Swiss laundered the gold that was taken out of the teeth of concentration camp victims, as well as the money taken from their bank accounts.  And then, your banks refused to give the money back to the survivors.  End of story.

Yeah, we've done some incredibly shitty things that I'm ashamed of too, but don't come in here throwing stones in a glass house.  Your country's banking system is and always has been a sanctuary for ill gotten gains.  All these African despots who rob the treasuries of their countries, while they kill their already starving people; where do you think they keep their money?  Not in the US, I assure you.
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2008, 03:10:31 pm »

there are no morals in banking..

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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2008, 03:25:21 pm »

MDM, wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 20:10

there are no morals in banking..




Because obviously the tens of thousands of people working in banking are all sociopaths  Rolling Eyes

Less morality and common decency than we would like, definately, fewer safeguards than should be insisted on, probably, an amazing amount of selfishness, ignorance and incompetence, no question.

but NO morals? Yet another false definitive statement from max.
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2008, 03:51:22 pm »

Hmmm.  "There's no morals in banking."  I thought it was, "There's no crying in baseball."

OK, how about this: The love of money is the root of all evil.

Has a nice ring to it, no?
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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2008, 03:54:42 pm »

J.J. Blair wrote on Sat, 09 February 2008 20:51

Hmmm.  "There's no morals in banking."  I thought it was, "There's no crying in baseball."

OK, how about this: The love of money is the root of all evil.

Has a nice ring to it, no?


nice ring to it... but not really true is it?
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