MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51 |
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Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam Lehman Brothers of New York Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York Chase Manhatten Bank Goldman, Sachs of New York.
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Not sure why you quoted that list, since the next bit is where the guy shows that these are NOT shareholders in the New York Federal Reserve Bank, despite the claims of the original author of the list
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51 |
Jon, as usual you use logic but logic only works 100% when you have ALL the data..
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Logic always works better than guesses and dogma.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51 |
neither you or I have all the info.. perhaps SOME people who are working closely with the major shareholders (from YOUR link) have a BETTER idea of how decisions are ACTUALLY taken in regards to the generation of money and debt...
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If you actually READ the link you'll find that those in the list are NOT shareholders.
They CANNOT be, all the shareholders in the Federal Reserve Banks are the member banks... in other words US Banks, not only that but the size of their shareholding is set by the rules, not by how much they want to buy, and in addition the size of the shareholding ONLY affects the amount they have to put ib and the fixed dividends they receive, it does not affect their power... in this respect the Reserve banks are more like a cooperative... one bank, one vote, no matter how many shares they own.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51 |
but you and I cannot use logic, we can only interpret because we do not know what's going on..
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I'm quite aware that you cannot use logic, but that doesn't mean it can't be used. Logic is what should be used to interpret the information available.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51 |
BUT we DO know that the prime players in the FED reserve game are old-world bankers
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NO WE BLOODY WELL DON'T!!!
Have you learned NOTHING about how the system works?
I don't mean repeating what you see on poorly informed conspiracy sites, but actually looked into what the laws and rules are regarding how the Federal Reserve is owned and operated?
Obviously not.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51 |
we DO know that the majority of the major wars including WWII were MADE POSSIBLE by the people in the above organizations and the like..
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Like governments have ever NEEDED banks to make war.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51 |
we DO know that the constitution strictly forbids Reserve Banking because it's OBVIOUS implications in regards to inflation.
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WHERE does it forbid it?
It doesn't.
There is nothing which forbids Fractional Reserve banking, nor is there anything that forbids central banks.
Nor, is there anything that forbids the federal government from instigating fiat money.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51 |
we DO know that ever since america got off the gold standard there has been rising inflation with NO actual REGULATION OF THE VALUE OF MONEY.
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Once again, we don't know that.
In fact there's a lot of regulation, or attempts at regulation, it has varying degrees of success. But then things were pretty screwed before that anyway... the great depression started when the USA was ON the gold standard, was a period of DEFLATION, and recovery started when they came off the Gold Standard.