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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2008, 02:14:12 am »

JP Morgan and the other old school bankers are lending the US money from the nationalbank and earns the interest.

Ivan,
I am very sorry that you feel offended by idiot George.

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I question your electionsystem, I question the guys that you have to vote for, I question the whole system. It makes me angry, that the US has one of the most fukked up economical, medical, politicalsystems and want to act like an idol, bringing peace and freedom to other countrys.

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concerning the election I hear just NAMES everyday. Big tuesday.. people with hats, waving a small flag, the guy in the front says: "WE WILL CHANGE SOMETHING HERE.. ".. everyone is yelling and laughing. no solutions, NOT ONE FUKKIN step forward.

Ivan, are you reacting to Mr. Bush speak about cutting down healthcare more, and investing it into weapons? ARE YOU protesting?  Are you writing a letter? are you flooding your local radiostation with emails?
I dont see a reaction.. that is what makes me feel sad about such big country.

I might be an assozial asshole, my english might be suck ass but I will constantly try to find out, why you guys can easy sit in a chair and press record everyday without feelinG very SICk..

when I found out, I will shut up.


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We're not just electing a president, we're choosing a whole administration, and parties do matter. A Democratic president means a Democratic Attorney General, a Democratic EPA, a Democratic Dep't of Education and on down the line. And, most important, it will affect the composition of the SUpreme Court.

And George- If you think it doesn't matter to you, you're kidding yourself.


actually with your current votingsystem, the candidates, it doesnt matter very much. you vote for a candidate because he is PRO or CON something. NO CANDIDATE HAS A SOLUTION. go check it yourself. candidates telling people that they are pro or contra abortion, pro or contra iraque.
beeing pro or contra something is not politics, a 5 year old can tell you that he is pro chocolate and contra spinach.

I hope that clears up my point of view.
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2008, 02:21:56 am »

myNameIsGeorge wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 02:14

want to act like an idol, bringing peace and freedom to other countrys.




We don't act like an idol, we actually have helped keep world peace for a century.  I would even say that without the US, most tiny countries would be part of a bigger communist/fascist entity.

Would they be better off, I can't say.  But being invaded and overtaken has to suck.  Even a rich little defenseless country like Switzerland would have to do some real groveling.  And then some ankle-grabbing, and finally get taken over anyway.

If you are a big fat little lamb, I don't think that explaining to a hungry Tiger that you are neutral will work well.  Be glad that the dysfunctional, obnoxious shepherd is standing there with his shotgun.
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 04:48:11 am »

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It makes me angry, that the US has one of the most fukked up economical, medical, politicalsystems...


George, seriously ... how much time have you spent in the US?  

If you think you know so much about us, explain in three sentences or less what our three branches of government are, and what the separation of powers is.  Tell me the difference between the Senate and the House of Representatives.  

If you can't, then stop talking out of your ass, thinking you know anything about the way our government or political process functions.  

And I don't know what comic book you are getting your information from, but JP Morgan is not lending us money.  They act as one of the brokers for the 57% of the debt that is owned publicly.  It just so happens that the majority of that debt is being sold to Arab nations, and China.  The other 43% is held in bonds.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2008, 06:15:46 am »

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 JP Morgan is not lending us money. They act as one of the brokers for the 57% of the debt that is owned publicly. It just so happens that the majority of that debt is being sold to Arab nations, and China. The other 43% is held in bonds


and so one must consider how JP Morgan is and has been so closely tied to government spending.

it was JP Morgan that devised the scare which made people turn up at banks in the early 1900's and demand all their money SO THAT the FED reserve laws could be introduced..

and so JP morgan is also INDIRECTLY involved in the stock market crash a few years later which led the USA into a poverty-stricken recession in the 30's..

the fed reserve (and all others like it) are responsible for inflation...

the whole mechanism does NOT regulate the value of money it ONLY creates inflation..

this is not me speaking here, it's HISTORY speaking..

Has anyone noticed how Culture, Manufacturing etc. CHANGED in 1970?

the wars which were financed in the 50's and 60's had to be payed up so the gov got rid of the Gold standard and set inflation on an EVER-RISING trend which is still going on today


JP morgan (and others like them) are NOT DIRECTLY involved in spending but they do have a huge influence on political events because they FACILITATE government spending through their indirect influence..

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2008, 06:56:50 am »

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2008, 07:14:11 am »

MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 11:56

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

this is an interesting read


Interesting.. but basically bollocks

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3616/flaherty5.h tml

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2008, 07:21:01 am »

George, I only said that what you typed was stupid, I'm not accusing you of being stupid.. It is clear to me though, that you are uninformed to some extent..

It really does matter who we elect George. That's the whole point.. We simply would NOT be in the mess we are in now if we would have voted for Gore.. The same could be said about Kerry..{ different, smaller messes? Yeah. probably so but we can make our way out of those.}

There really are people here who want the best for their fellow Americans AND the rest of the world.. There are people running for President who understand that a National health care system, for instance, would be GOOD for our Country. They don't care that certain special interest corporations don't like it.What concerns them is the welfare of the people.. They understand that by making as many lives  as possible better they make their lives better..

There are people running for President who have a lot of Money.. They are willing to give up some of this Money in the way of Taxes to make our economy better and to help make sure our People are healthier. Even though some people don't like it, there is a thing called the distribution of wealth. Getting this right so we don't have war vets living out in the cold LOOKS easy.. But it's not easy because some people don't care about anything other than their portfolio. This is a HUGE place with a lot of lazy uninformed people who mean well but don't know much..

There are people here who want to use alternative energy sources and want the Government to lead the way in this effort.. They know it will be painful for a while to make this happen but understand that the world will be a better place if we do this..

There are people here who want to make a very very fine education for our children and under educated adults a National Priority so we can continue to grow as people and share and learn from the rest of the world because a healthy and robust exchange of ideas makes war less likely and,, well,, smart is GOOD.

I could go on and on.. The choice {in very simple terms} is either to vote for people who care only about themselves, OR, to vote for people who understand that we really do need one another and the welfare of our fellow man is as important as our own..

Convincing undereducated, selfish, lazy Americans who have it made to vote for good people is A HUGE TASK.. { the right wing in this country do NOT LIKE genuinely smart people. Period} In part, this is because we have it easy here.. People are not in the habit of thinking about the welfare of other people here because we don't really have to suffer very much.. Americans have it made. We are young. We have been handed HUGE power and we are barely old enough to tie our shoes.

What we are trying to do here is NOT an easy thing at all.. Many people predicted that we would fail.. Many thought we would not make it 50 years after our revolution. There's good reason for this.. Running a republic/democracy this size, with this system is touchy stuff. It's fragile as hell and we need to be a lot more careful about who we choose to run the ship.. And we need to take care when forming relationships, Government to Business.

I hope we learned our lesson over the last 8 years because one more set of dumb asses like these ass clowns in the executive branch, could ruin us for good..Yes, it's that serious. But getting the average American to understand this is NOT easy..


Rant over.......

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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2008, 07:51:04 am »

Jon Hodgson wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 06:14

MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 11:56

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

this is an interesting read


Interesting.. but basically bollocks

 http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3616/flaherty5.h tml



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Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers of New York
Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
Chase Manhatten Bank
Goldman, Sachs of New York.


Jon, as usual you use logic but logic only works 100% when you have ALL the data..

neither you or I have all the info.. perhaps SOME people who are working closely with the major shareholders (from YOUR link) have a BETTER idea of how decisions are ACTUALLY taken in regards to the generation of money and debt...

but you and I cannot use logic, we can only interpret because we do not know what's going on..


BUT we DO know that the prime players in the FED reserve game are old-world bankers

we DO know that the majority of the major wars including WWII were MADE POSSIBLE by the people in the above organizations and the like..

we DO know that the constitution strictly forbids Reserve Banking because it's OBVIOUS implications in regards to inflation.

we DO know that ever since america got off the gold standard there has been rising inflation with NO actual REGULATION OF THE VALUE OF MONEY.


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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2008, 08:01:23 am »

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There really are people here who want the best for their fellow Americans AND the rest of the world.. There are people running for President who understand that a National health care system, for instance, would be GOOD for our Country. They don't care that certain special interest corporations don't like it.What concerns them is the welfare of the people.. They understand that by making as many lives as possible better they make their lives better..



John, if money weren't involved I would agree with you.

unfortunately it is, and there will be a lot of very HAPPY corporations involved in any government-controlled health-care system..

the government will take more money from the citizens to pay for the healthcare, it will take a part of that money to pay the people who organize the heath-care system, another part will be given to corporations which will manufacture the goods once they get contracts from the governments, another part will go into phantom offices which are put there to earn a bit off money etc. etc..

if you look at the MAJOR supporters of politicians in terms of cash, you will see much corporate influence..

there is nothing more that the corporate crowd would love to see than a government which ASSURES them work-contracts with 'flexible' terms..

in a free market society the only way to regulate prices and quality successfully is through OPEN COMPETITION .


if people weren't so poor they could take care of themselves.

a socialist government in america would only put the corporations at the helm of the government..

their only desire is to provide permanent services to be paid for with the IMMENSE and UNLIMITED pool of money which comes from taxation.
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Re: If you want a Democratic president, don't vote for Hillary.
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2008, 08:55:21 am »

MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51

Jon Hodgson wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 06:14

MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 11:56

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

this is an interesting read


Interesting.. but basically bollocks

   http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3616/flaherty5.h tml



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Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers of New York
Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
Chase Manhatten Bank
Goldman, Sachs of New York.



Not sure why you quoted that list, since the next bit is where the guy shows that these are NOT shareholders in the New York Federal Reserve Bank, despite the claims of the original author of the list
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51


Jon, as usual you use logic but logic only works 100% when you have ALL the data..


Logic always works better than guesses and dogma.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51


neither you or I have all the info.. perhaps SOME people who are working closely with the major shareholders (from YOUR link) have a BETTER idea of how decisions are ACTUALLY taken in regards to the generation of money and debt...


If you actually READ the link you'll find that those in the list are NOT shareholders.
They CANNOT be, all the shareholders in the Federal Reserve Banks are  the member banks... in other words US Banks, not only that but the size of their shareholding is set by the rules, not by how much they want to buy, and in addition the size of the shareholding ONLY affects the amount they have to put ib and the fixed dividends they receive, it does not affect their power... in this respect the Reserve banks are more like a cooperative... one bank, one vote, no matter how many shares they own.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51

but you and I cannot use logic, we can only interpret because we do not know what's going on..


I'm quite aware that you cannot use logic, but that doesn't mean it can't be used. Logic is what should be used to interpret the information available.

MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51


BUT we DO know that the prime players in the FED reserve game are old-world bankers


NO WE BLOODY WELL DON'T!!!

Have you learned NOTHING about how the system works?

I don't mean repeating what you see on poorly informed conspiracy sites, but  actually looked into what the laws and rules are regarding how the Federal Reserve is owned and operated?

Obviously not.

MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51


we DO know that the majority of the major wars including WWII were MADE POSSIBLE by the people in the above organizations and the like..


Like governments have ever NEEDED banks to make war.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51


we DO know that the constitution strictly forbids Reserve Banking because it's OBVIOUS implications in regards to inflation.


WHERE does it forbid it?
It doesn't.
There is nothing which forbids Fractional Reserve banking, nor is there anything that forbids central banks.
Nor, is there anything that forbids the federal government from instigating fiat money.
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:51


we DO know that ever since america got off the gold standard there has been rising inflation with NO actual REGULATION OF THE VALUE OF MONEY.


Once again, we don't know that.

In fact there's a lot of regulation, or attempts at regulation, it has varying degrees of success. But then things were pretty screwed before that anyway... the great depression started when the USA was ON the gold standard, was a period of DEFLATION, and recovery started when they came off the Gold Standard.

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2008, 10:42:56 am »

Jon, in the corporate and banking world an agreement does not have to be written down for everyone to see.

the whole concept of reserve banking was pushed by and invented by people who earn money from getting governments to spend..

these people have been doing it officially or unofficially for centuries.

you can't get into detail with the information available, however you CAN deduce that

inflation is NOT being regulated, it's increasing..

more and more credit is being issued every second.

wars and other military spending is being pushed to the max to create more spending

WHO benefits from this??
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2008, 11:59:29 am »

Max, for you to correlate anything today with what happened a hundred years ago is reaching, even for you.  
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2008, 01:31:42 pm »

MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 15:42

Jon, in the corporate and banking world an agreement does not have to be written down for everyone to see.


Is this really the best you can do when your claimed facts are proven incorrect?
MDM, wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 15:42


the whole concept of reserve banking was pushed by and invented by people who earn money from getting governments to spend..



The whole concept of fractional reserve banking predates and has no dependent link with government borrowing or central banks. Each can exist without the other two.
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2008, 03:23:27 pm »

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I hope we learned our lesson over the last 8 years because one more set of dumb asses like these ass clowns in the executive branch, could ruin us for good..Yes, it's that serious. But getting the average American to understand this is NOT easy..

point taken, I will shut up Cool


we will talk again in 5years about this topic.

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2008, 03:27:25 pm »

3 words -

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