Ashermusic wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 14:10 |
First of all, we have not been discussing Africa so you have no idea what my views are or are not. Bill Clinton says his biggest regret was not intervening there and I agree with him. It is shameful.
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But, but, but...the event you're complaining about did happen in Africa, didn't it? And no, I don't know how you feel about Africans killing Africans, but we all sure know how you think about Muslims killing Muslims and apparently because they're Muslims that makes them worse - this is the logic of where you took us. Else wise, there would be nothing for you to comment on because what Sunni and Shia do is no different than what many people do. My friend, your logic is as shot full of holes as the administration's is. If Muslims do it, we attack - if someone else does it, we turn away.
Ashermusic wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 14:10 |
You view on the Iraq War is IMHO as extreme and distorted as Bush's on the other side. Turn 180 degrees from wrong and you end up at wrong.
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Must be that fuzzy math... Let's see - wrong is over here, now I turn right away from it I end up facing...no...that's not it... Oh, I'll never get it!
Ashermusic wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 14:10 |
I mourn the loss of any innocent, American or Muslim, but there is a huge moral difference between accidentally killing one while attacking an enemy and targeting them, a distinction you clearly do not make. To call it terrorism is absurd. To call it a huge mistake is far more reasonable.
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Far more reasonable to you, snug in your nice home in the Valley. Half a world away from the children and women who were bombed in their homes. Yes,
far more reasonable. Just as dead, just as maimed; but reasonable, not extreme or distorted.
Now - lets think again - WHY are they the enemy? You call them that. Can you please tell us, what is it that made them the enemy, and justified our reasonable non-terrorist attack on them? Was it the WMD? No...no..it wasn't that. Was it freedom on the march? No..no..it wasn't that. Dang it! You'll just have to tell me what made these people my enemy.
Huge mistake? A hundred thousand dead from a mistake? And this doesn't explain a bit of Arab anger at the country that committed this huge mistake? And you tell us that you mourn the loss of an innocent? How do you mourn it? By explaining it away?
Yes - it was deliberate and I call it terrorism. Just because its committed by a government, OUR government, doesn't change the facts. Only weak thinking does. We invaded a country which hadn't harmed us, killed innocent people, all based on what the people pursuing the war knew were lies to deceive the people who could stop it. Terrorism on a global scale. Yes, unreasonable and extreme of me, you are correct, sir!
Ashermusic wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 14:10 |
And much as we all hate it, the world runs on oil and we have a geo-political and economic need to have a presence in the region and it is not wrong for a country to protect those interests.
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Ah...there it is, finally. The justification for the death of innocents. Now we know why we mourn them. How lucky for us that their faith makes them so easy to dismiss from our minds.
Ashermusic wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 14:10 |
But you have the right to your point of view so vote for Kucinich, or Ron Paul, or whoever else represents your views. I will be voting for either Hillary or Obama in all probability, neither of whom go as far left as you do, and I say to you respectfully that I will be thanking whatever gods there be that more Americans think like me than you.
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Not likely. Thank god.
Hell, after reading you, I'm voting for Bush/Cheney! I want my oil! Lives, responsibility, decency and honor be damned!
Ashermusic wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 14:10 |
And now, I really am done.
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Yes, you really are. OK - lets go to lunch!
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