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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2004, 10:22:09 PM »
Ok. I wonder how will be the market price drop with HD process cards. I´m glad I did not go PT HD OF. Accel seems to be a longer life product... 
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2004, 10:39:33 PM »
Since the Accel cards share two of the same chips with the original HD cards, and since these are the chips used for TDM I/O and other housekeeping chores, I don't think you'll see Digi drop support for the 'non-Accel' variant of HD.
--Erik
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2004, 10:46:39 PM »
I haven't noticed one problem with 10.2 and 6.1. None.
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2004, 10:47:28 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2004, 10:33:37 PM »
Keep in mind we are right smack dab in the middle of some of the biggest technological changes in human history. All computer systems including the digi stuff will be outdated relatively soon after their release due to constantly changing technological advances that are aimed at progress. I'm sure if we as a race decided to stop thinking, our current systems would have a much longer shelf life. It sucks financially but is worth it in the end. Although, Digi and others could help out by lowering their prices a bit.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2004, 11:13:11 PM »
I think there is a California law on the books saying that products must supported by manufacturers 5 or 6 years past there sale date- Mix reached that so it seems- The support for original PT hardware stopped around 1996/7
Digi has been decent enough to stay in business and at least offer a decent upgrade path to their customer base-
I think it is a little unfair to paint this as an "abandonment"
However- I must say I had a somewhat difficult transition to OSX and 6.x PT- Its done now, and I really like it- but It is a shame so many plugins (THAT I OWN, thank you very much)
are now not a part of my tool set- these include Wider(recently too), HyperPrism, Spatializer, A3D and Lexiverb I am sure there are MANY more too.
It pisses me off because I could have bought hardware, but hell, I learned in the process.
ProTools 6.4 is pretty cool though so I did get something in return I guess.
charles maynes
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2004, 12:10:40 PM »
| charles maynes wrote on Tue, 18 May 2004 23:13 |
I think there is a California law on the books saying that products must supported by manufacturers 5 or 6 years past there sale date- Mix reached that so it seems- The support for original PT hardware stopped around 1996/7
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Except I was just galncing through a 2001 mix magazine, and saw the Digi Mix add. So, if that really is a law, they would still have a few years to go.
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2004, 12:47:15 PM »
So what's the definition of "support"? It doesn't mean they have to continue to develop new software for it, does it? If you're having problems with a Mix system I'm sure they'll continue to support it in that regard...
-Duardo
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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2004, 02:24:20 PM »
I think the big thing is not having new updates running on older systems becasue fo a purely finacial reason.
For example, the decision to not have future software updates run on Digi 001's is IMO a pyrely financial reason to force new hardware purchases.
Their excuse is that it is becasue of Apple hardware, yet this would not affect PC users at all.
I accept that they could embark on a new architecure that would make older sytems obsolete. But I haven't seen any major software changes at a basic level that should exclude operation on Mix systems.
Remeber. Digi makes it's money from hardware sales. It's in their best interest to exclude older hadrwae from the "will work on" list. And I resally think it's a sofwtare switch that's been turned off.
I just can't see any reason why new software would not work on a native Digi001 system, as everyhting is doen in sofwtare, not hardware.
But that's just me.
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2004, 12:32:42 PM »
| henchman wrote on Fri, 21 May 2004 12:24 |
I think the big thing is not having new updates running on older systems becasue fo a purely finacial reason.
For example, the decision to not have future software updates run on Digi 001's is IMO a pyrely financial reason to force new hardware purchases.
Their excuse is that it is becasue of Apple hardware, yet this would not affect PC users at all.
I accept that they could embark on a new architecure that would make older sytems obsolete. But I haven't seen any major software changes at a basic level that should exclude operation on Mix systems.
Remeber. Digi makes it's money from hardware sales. It's in their best interest to exclude older hadrwae from the "will work on" list. And I resally think it's a sofwtare switch that's been turned off.
I just can't see any reason why new software would not work on a native Digi001 system, as everyhting is doen in sofwtare, not hardware.
But that's just me.
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I think if you take a look a some of the facts you may see things a little different. 001 cards I think came out at the end or 1999 or early 2000. and the software rev was 5.0 (Digi's first version for MIDI) Then about a year later came 5.1 - (Major improvements were made) Now today with the new G5's some of the older PCI cards will not work. I really think it's understandable that four year old card will not work in a machine from today. None of my old video cards and SCSI cards work either. You can still use an 888 & 882 interface with a HD Accel system (ONLY at 44/48) So IMO think they do a good job at trying to make there hardware last as long as possible. As far as the PC stuff goes when 80% of your market is Mac based it's pretty hard to keep all the old stuff going for ONE platform. I can see the economics of that plus the fact of customer confusion more or less companies do have to try to keep things a s consistent as possible. I am very familiar with a companies software development issues having dealt directly with that myself. Software development is very complex especially with some as complex as Protools. Mac, PC, HD, Accel, Mix, 001, 002, 002R plus throw in all the different interfaces , Sync Plug-ins 3rd party PI., expansion chassis issues, Big systems, small systems ETC, ETC, ETC. This alone makes software development very complex and very expensive. So saying it's just a switch to turn on is really over simplified True Digidesign is a hardware company... they have to make money otherwise they would be out of business and we would would not get any more updates when new computers come out. The other important think is that this is all based on computers which technology seems to change like the weather.
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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2004, 11:28:25 PM »
You can rationalize all you want. But the LE sofwtare does not rely on hardware.
All the boxes are basically big copy pretection dongles. I see no logic why newere versions of PT's LE won't work on an 001, but will work on say an Mbox.
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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2004, 02:59:55 PM »
The answer is simple ... 001 cards do not work on a G5. And as soon as the G4 stops shipping in the future, newer versions of PT will not work on a G4 (That may take a couple of years). But you can see the writing on the wall today. Open up 3 Waves PI windows in a Dual G4 1.42 and watch you GUI come to a slow painful crawl.
Or load up some Altiverbs or IR-1's and watch a G4 die.
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2004, 03:30:48 PM »
Touchwood! 
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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2004, 02:01:06 AM »
| Touchwood Studios wrote on Sun, 23 May 2004 14:59 |
The answer is simple ... 001 cards do not work on a G5. And as soon as the G4 stops shipping in the future, newer versions of PT will not work on a G4
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But they are still shipping G4's. People are still using G4's. So it makes no sense.
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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2004, 02:03:37 PM »
| henchman wrote on Tue, 25 May 2004 02:01 |
| Touchwood Studios wrote on Sun, 23 May 2004 14:59 |
The answer is simple ... 001 cards do not work on a G5. And as soon as the G4 stops shipping in the future, newer versions of PT will not work on a G4
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But they are still shipping G4's. People are still using G4's.
So it makes no sense.
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I've seen recently someone using a NuBus PT system. His system is no longer supported. What were we talking about?
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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2004, 11:59:10 PM »
| Loco wrote on Tue, 25 May 2004 14:03 |
I've seen recently someone using a NuBus PT system. His system is no longer supported.
What were we talking about?
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We were talking about systems that are still being shipped and sold. Clearly NuBus Mac's do not fall under that category. Please pay attention.
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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2004, 12:21:24 AM »
Henchie! How are your 5 Fairchilds? I'm paying attention. I was just checking how far back you hated the empire.
BTW, how's support going on the Fairchild side?
cheers!
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2004, 02:49:33 AM »
| henchman wrote on Tue, 25 May 2004 02:01 |
But they are still shipping G4's. People are still using G4's.
So it makes no sense.
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Let's see. Digi dropped development (NOT support) for PCI hardware running with Pro Tools LE. They currently sell only USB and Firewire interfaces for Pro Tools LE. Two years ago people were bitching that Digi didn't have a Firewire interface for Pro Tools LE. None of their competitors have PCI interfaces or the resulting driver development overhead and complexity. They're going to spend less time in legacy driver development and maintenance that has precisely no value to new customers, and put those resources into improving the Pro Tools application instead. You're right. It makes absolutely no sense. --Erik
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2004, 04:37:54 AM »
| Loco wrote on Wed, 26 May 2004 00:21 |
Henchie! How are your 5 Fairchilds? I'm paying attention. I was just checking how far back you hated the empire.
BTW, how's support going on the Fairchild side?
cheers!
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No problem on the support sied. And they're still going strong. Haven't broken down once.
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2004, 05:45:56 PM »
Hey Mark-
I know this is getting off topic here, but can Fairlights (Other than the new Dream system) directly import AIFF files yet? A terrific post house I send music files to still can't import AIFF files on their mfx (?) systems. Is there an update for this?
Michael
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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2004, 02:41:57 AM »
| michael c wrote on Wed, 26 May 2004 17:45 |
Hey Mark-
I know this is getting off topic here, but can Fairlights (Other than the new Dream system) directly import AIFF files yet? A terrific post house I send music files to still can't import AIFF files on their mfx (?) systems. Is there an update for this?
Michael
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I think so, with the latest software update.
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