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[aivoryuk]

Apologies if this has been covered before but I did a search and couldn't find what I was looking for.

So how far do you sit from your speakers and why??

Is their a optimum position?? or does it depend on the room and speakers??

Whats the best way of finding the best position?

Any advice would be great.

[Thomas W. Bethel]

I used this guide and it works well.

 http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_ id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup

or you can use this guide

http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm

Or you can do it by listening and adjusting until it works correctly for you.

Best of luck, it is a fun thing to do and you get to learn a lot about acoustics.  

[crna59]

In my Post room I go by the Guidelines of the P&E Wing at NARAS.

Recommendations for Surround Sound Production

The distance to each speaker should be between 6.5 - 7.5'

For my Mastering room, we had to choose the best listening position by ear and analysis. Yes it varies between each room and speaker type. I'm about 8' from mine all the way around.

Regards,
Bruce

[masterhse]

Another article on speaker placement:

http://www.immediasound.com/Speakersetup.html

Experimentation to determine what translates best from your room to the outside world is likely the optimal position.

[Patrik T]

aivoryuk wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 11:43

Is their a optimum position?? or does it depend on the room and speakers??

People always tend to critisize reflections from desks. But they never mention what the desk possibly absorbs.

Or walls. Or floors. Or roofs. Or keyboards. Or monitors.

Or your body!

Think about those two for a while and you'll need no-one to tell you where your speakers must stand to fit YOUR EARS. In your room. The reflections contra the absorbtions.

You only need to point your arm into the direction of a speaker to realize that there is no such thing as optimum anything.


Best
Patrik

[Thomas W. Bethel]

masterhse wrote on Mon, 19 November 2007 22:14

Another article on speaker placement: http://www.immediasound.com/Speakersetup.html Experimentation to determine what translates best from your room to the outside world is likely the optimal position.

There are a lot of spelling mistakes in that summary. You would think that something that is posted on the web would be checked for spelling errors. I hope his calculations were better than his spelling.

[aivoryuk]

thanks for all the info has been most insightful.

for the record I don't have a desk as I don't have much hardware like some of you analog guys. I have this nice wheely thing that I bought from IKEA for about

[masterhse]

Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Tue, 20 November 2007 07:39

masterhse wrote on Mon, 19 November 2007 22:14 Another article on speaker placement: http://www.immediasound.com/Speakersetup.html Experimentation to determine what translates best from your room to the outside world is likely the optimal position. There are a lot of spelling mistakes in that summary. You would think that something that is posted on the web would be checked for spelling errors. I hope his calculations were better than his spelling.

Mispelling is often the sign of a good tech

A better version with some comments here:
http://www.stereophile.com/finetunes/179/

[Patrik T]

aivoryuk wrote on Tue, 20 November 2007 13:55

I have this nice wheely thing that I bought from IKEA for about aivoryuk Sr. Member Offline Posts: 480 Re: Distance from speakers Patrik T wrote on Tue, 20 November 2007 13:54 aivoryuk wrote on Tue, 20 November 2007 13:55 I have this nice wheely thing that I bought from IKEA for about Alex Ivory http://www.ivorymastering.com quantumpsych Full Member Offline Posts: 130 Re: Distance from speakers i never had any problems with the equilateral triangle rule; the listener should be as far back from the speakers as they are apart from each other. currently, i'm near field, with my HR824's three feet apart and myself three feet away. it's like being in a cocoon... mmm... cocoon. - j a s o n | s t e r l e - myspace.com/quantumpsych Andrew Hamilton Hero Member Offline Posts: 573 Re: Distance from speakers The Dunlavy manual says that the best distance for their far-fields is 9-12' in front  of the listening position.  Their manual also suggests putting the speakers in opposite sides of one of the long walls, with appropriate toe-in for the image to point at the listener, who should sit along the opposite long wall.  Also, the listener should sit with his ears at tweeter height when listening to an M-T-M array.  I have departed somewhat from the recommended starting position described above, since my long walls are not appropriate for having as front and back, because the short walls are not symmetrical in their rather permanent acoustic treatment.  One is a large, vintage shag carpet-covered bass trap/dead end, the other is a flagstone rock wall/live end with parquet floor.  It used to be a late 70's tracking room.   I have therefore placed the speakers about 9 feet apart from each other along the  large bass trap wall and sit about 12.5' in front of them, in front of the rock wall with a somewhat narrower (4' H x 8' W x 4' D - filled with Roxul www.serifsound.com premastering for CD and DVD-A.  Featuring FTP load in and delivery as well as analog tape transfers. PP Hero Member Offline Posts: 1005 Re: Distance from speakers Larrchild Hero Member Offline Posts: 3972 Re: Distance from speakers He won't listen. Too busy making money, I guess. I think it depends on the drivers too. Dome radiators have a wider sweet spot, compared to say, cones.. You can move around more. Larry Janus http://2ubes.net dcollins Hero Member Offline Posts: 2815 Re: Distance from speakers PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 08:12 If you bump into Dave Collins hereabouts. (He may be very interested to learn how to position speakers) Please send him here. Basically, it’s all written just for him.....    http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/0/20297/32/2437 /#msg_20297 Hi "Peter," I did read it and also looked at the BMW links.  There was also something in there about a Petula somebody. Oh, the RH that I referenced wasn't Ross, but engineer Ryan Hewitt.  He has a 335i, the B*stard. Nice car. DC Dave Collins Mastering Pulse Techniques LLC brett Hero Member Offline Posts: 1114 Re: Distance from speakers Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 16:36 I used this guide and it works well.    http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_ id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup or you can use this guide http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm Or you can do it by listening and adjusting until it works correctly for you. Best of luck, it is a fun thing to do and you get to learn a lot about acoustics.   that guys method leaves you sitting almost directly at the center of the room. Not a good idea! and his web site goes on to say "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. In Golden Section Stranding, strands are arranged so that every strand is coupled to another, whose note is irrational with its own dissipating conductor resonance. This creates a silenced conductor, allowing Cardas cable to produce the purest possible audio signal. No other cable geometry, no other conductor design, can create the listening magic of Golden Section Stranding." Those patented Phi/Fibuonacci sequence cables are golden alright! Golden Goose Eggs!   masterhse Hero Member Offline Posts: 1059 Re: Distance from speakers PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 11:12 “Mispelling is often the sign of a good tech” Dear Tom, You must be a brilliant technician. The word ‘mispelling’ does not even occur in the dictionary. I believe the word you meant to write is ‘misspelling'. But misspelt it. Sorry just catching up on this thread. No that spelling was intentional P. it's called a joke ... Glad to see that you picked up on the subtlety. PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 11:12 My purpose in writing is not to correct you, but to publicly convey your convincing technical prowess and engineering experience to the whole world. I'm concerned... Has there been too much fungicide sprayed on the apples you’ve been eating recently? As appears to be the case demonstrated here...              http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/156681-who-ha ndsome-young-man.html Also a joke? To quote one of the great bards of the late 70's: "Does anyone remember laughter?" Tom Volpicelli The Mastering House Inc. CD Mastering and Media Production Services Larrchild Hero Member Offline Posts: 3972 Re: Distance from speakers Quote: "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. Vincent Van Haff! And the "Golden Mean"! It's back! Larry Janus http://2ubes.net Thomas W. Bethel Hero Member Offline Posts: 1811 Re: Distance from speakers brett wrote on Tue, 27 November 2007 16:21 Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 16:36 I used this guide and it works well.      http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_ id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup or you can use this guide http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm Or you can do it by listening and adjusting until it works correctly for you. Best of luck, it is a fun thing to do and you get to learn a lot about acoustics.   that guys method leaves you sitting almost directly at the center of the room. Not a good idea! and his web site goes on to say "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. In Golden Section Stranding, strands are arranged so that every strand is coupled to another, whose note is irrational with its own dissipating conductor resonance. This creates a silenced conductor, allowing Cardas cable to produce the purest possible audio signal. No other cable geometry, no other conductor design, can create the listening magic of Golden Section Stranding." Those patented Phi/Fibuonacci sequence cables are golden alright! Golden Goose Eggs!   I personally don't agree with everything Mr. Cardas says BUT his system for setting up speakers seems to work for my situation(with a little "by ear" tweaking). I think his cables are overpriced and some of his ideas about cables are a bit "off the wall" from a physic's standpoint but he seems to sells a lot of them to golden eared audiophiles..... I noticed that you were quick to shoot down this method but did not offer any suggestions that you had used and worked well for you so could you enlighten me what system you use in your "mastering room" and why you have found it to work so well. By the way if you do the math you will see that you are NOT in the middle of the room if you follow the advice quoted in my original post. -TOM- Thomas W. Bethel Managing Director Acoustik Musik, Ltd. Room With a View Productions http://www.acoustikmusik.com/ Doing what you love is freedom. Loving what you do is happiness. Tomas Danko Hero Member Offline Posts: 4733 Re: Distance from speakers Larrchild wrote on Tue, 27 November 2007 22:45 Quote: "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. Vincent Van Haff! And the "Golden Mean"! It's back! Goooooooold! "T(Z)= (n1+n2*Z^-1+n2*Z^-2)/(1+d1*z^-1+d2*z^-2)" - Mr. Dan Lavry "Shaw baa laa raaw, sidle' yaa doot in dee splaa" . Mr Shooby Taylor Print Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Up « previous next » R/E/P Community > R/E/P > R/E/P Archives > Brad Blackwood > Distance from speakers   SMF 2.0.19 | SMF © 2021, Simple Machines | Terms and Policies XHTML RSS WAP2 Site Hosted By Ashdown Technologies, Inc. Page created in 0.115 seconds with 19 queries.

[aivoryuk]

Patrik T wrote on Tue, 20 November 2007 13:54

aivoryuk wrote on Tue, 20 November 2007 13:55 I have this nice wheely thing that I bought from IKEA for about Alex Ivory http://www.ivorymastering.com quantumpsych Full Member Offline Posts: 130 Re: Distance from speakers i never had any problems with the equilateral triangle rule; the listener should be as far back from the speakers as they are apart from each other. currently, i'm near field, with my HR824's three feet apart and myself three feet away. it's like being in a cocoon... mmm... cocoon. - j a s o n | s t e r l e - myspace.com/quantumpsych Andrew Hamilton Hero Member Offline Posts: 573 Re: Distance from speakers The Dunlavy manual says that the best distance for their far-fields is 9-12' in front  of the listening position.  Their manual also suggests putting the speakers in opposite sides of one of the long walls, with appropriate toe-in for the image to point at the listener, who should sit along the opposite long wall.  Also, the listener should sit with his ears at tweeter height when listening to an M-T-M array.  I have departed somewhat from the recommended starting position described above, since my long walls are not appropriate for having as front and back, because the short walls are not symmetrical in their rather permanent acoustic treatment.  One is a large, vintage shag carpet-covered bass trap/dead end, the other is a flagstone rock wall/live end with parquet floor.  It used to be a late 70's tracking room.   I have therefore placed the speakers about 9 feet apart from each other along the  large bass trap wall and sit about 12.5' in front of them, in front of the rock wall with a somewhat narrower (4' H x 8' W x 4' D - filled with Roxul www.serifsound.com premastering for CD and DVD-A.  Featuring FTP load in and delivery as well as analog tape transfers. PP Hero Member Offline Posts: 1005 Re: Distance from speakers Larrchild Hero Member Offline Posts: 3972 Re: Distance from speakers He won't listen. Too busy making money, I guess. I think it depends on the drivers too. Dome radiators have a wider sweet spot, compared to say, cones.. You can move around more. Larry Janus http://2ubes.net dcollins Hero Member Offline Posts: 2815 Re: Distance from speakers PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 08:12 If you bump into Dave Collins hereabouts. (He may be very interested to learn how to position speakers) Please send him here. Basically, it’s all written just for him.....    http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/0/20297/32/2437 /#msg_20297 Hi "Peter," I did read it and also looked at the BMW links.  There was also something in there about a Petula somebody. Oh, the RH that I referenced wasn't Ross, but engineer Ryan Hewitt.  He has a 335i, the B*stard. Nice car. DC Dave Collins Mastering Pulse Techniques LLC brett Hero Member Offline Posts: 1114 Re: Distance from speakers Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 16:36 I used this guide and it works well.    http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_ id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup or you can use this guide http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm Or you can do it by listening and adjusting until it works correctly for you. Best of luck, it is a fun thing to do and you get to learn a lot about acoustics.   that guys method leaves you sitting almost directly at the center of the room. Not a good idea! and his web site goes on to say "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. In Golden Section Stranding, strands are arranged so that every strand is coupled to another, whose note is irrational with its own dissipating conductor resonance. This creates a silenced conductor, allowing Cardas cable to produce the purest possible audio signal. No other cable geometry, no other conductor design, can create the listening magic of Golden Section Stranding." Those patented Phi/Fibuonacci sequence cables are golden alright! Golden Goose Eggs!   masterhse Hero Member Offline Posts: 1059 Re: Distance from speakers PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 11:12 “Mispelling is often the sign of a good tech” Dear Tom, You must be a brilliant technician. The word ‘mispelling’ does not even occur in the dictionary. I believe the word you meant to write is ‘misspelling'. But misspelt it. Sorry just catching up on this thread. No that spelling was intentional P. it's called a joke ... Glad to see that you picked up on the subtlety. PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 11:12 My purpose in writing is not to correct you, but to publicly convey your convincing technical prowess and engineering experience to the whole world. I'm concerned... Has there been too much fungicide sprayed on the apples you’ve been eating recently? As appears to be the case demonstrated here...              http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/156681-who-ha ndsome-young-man.html Also a joke? To quote one of the great bards of the late 70's: "Does anyone remember laughter?" Tom Volpicelli The Mastering House Inc. CD Mastering and Media Production Services Larrchild Hero Member Offline Posts: 3972 Re: Distance from speakers Quote: "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. Vincent Van Haff! And the "Golden Mean"! It's back! Larry Janus http://2ubes.net Thomas W. Bethel Hero Member Offline Posts: 1811 Re: Distance from speakers brett wrote on Tue, 27 November 2007 16:21 Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 16:36 I used this guide and it works well.      http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_ id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup or you can use this guide http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm Or you can do it by listening and adjusting until it works correctly for you. Best of luck, it is a fun thing to do and you get to learn a lot about acoustics.   that guys method leaves you sitting almost directly at the center of the room. Not a good idea! and his web site goes on to say "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. In Golden Section Stranding, strands are arranged so that every strand is coupled to another, whose note is irrational with its own dissipating conductor resonance. This creates a silenced conductor, allowing Cardas cable to produce the purest possible audio signal. No other cable geometry, no other conductor design, can create the listening magic of Golden Section Stranding." Those patented Phi/Fibuonacci sequence cables are golden alright! Golden Goose Eggs!   I personally don't agree with everything Mr. Cardas says BUT his system for setting up speakers seems to work for my situation(with a little "by ear" tweaking). I think his cables are overpriced and some of his ideas about cables are a bit "off the wall" from a physic's standpoint but he seems to sells a lot of them to golden eared audiophiles..... I noticed that you were quick to shoot down this method but did not offer any suggestions that you had used and worked well for you so could you enlighten me what system you use in your "mastering room" and why you have found it to work so well. By the way if you do the math you will see that you are NOT in the middle of the room if you follow the advice quoted in my original post. -TOM- Thomas W. Bethel Managing Director Acoustik Musik, Ltd. Room With a View Productions http://www.acoustikmusik.com/ Doing what you love is freedom. Loving what you do is happiness. Tomas Danko Hero Member Offline Posts: 4733 Re: Distance from speakers Larrchild wrote on Tue, 27 November 2007 22:45 Quote: "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. Vincent Van Haff! And the "Golden Mean"! It's back! Goooooooold! "T(Z)= (n1+n2*Z^-1+n2*Z^-2)/(1+d1*z^-1+d2*z^-2)" - Mr. Dan Lavry "Shaw baa laa raaw, sidle' yaa doot in dee splaa" . Mr Shooby Taylor Print Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Up « previous next » R/E/P Community > R/E/P > R/E/P Archives > Brad Blackwood > Distance from speakers   SMF 2.0.19 | SMF © 2021, Simple Machines | Terms and Policies XHTML RSS WAP2 Site Hosted By Ashdown Technologies, Inc. Page created in 0.115 seconds with 19 queries.

[quantumpsych]

i never had any problems with the equilateral triangle rule; the listener should be as far back from the speakers as they are apart from each other. currently, i'm near field, with my HR824's three feet apart and myself three feet away. it's like being in a cocoon... mmm... cocoon.

[Andrew Hamilton]

The Dunlavy manual says that the best distance for their far-fields is 9-12' in front  of the listening position.  Their manual also suggests putting the speakers in opposite sides of one of the long walls, with appropriate toe-in for the image to point at the listener, who should sit along the opposite long wall.  Also, the listener should sit with his ears at tweeter height when listening to an M-T-M array.  I have departed somewhat from the recommended starting position described above, since my long walls are not appropriate for having as front and back, because the short walls are not symmetrical in their rather permanent acoustic treatment.  One is a large, vintage shag carpet-covered bass trap/dead end, the other is a flagstone rock wall/live end with parquet floor.  It used to be a late 70's tracking room.   I have therefore placed the speakers about 9 feet apart from each other along the  large bass trap wall and sit about 12.5' in front of them, in front of the rock wall with a somewhat narrower (4' H x 8' W x 4' D - filled with Roxul

[PP]

[Larrchild]

He won't listen.

Too busy making money, I guess.


I think it depends on the drivers too.
Dome radiators have a wider sweet spot, compared to say, cones..
You can move around more.

[dcollins]

PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 08:12

If you bump into Dave Collins hereabouts. (He may be very interested to learn how to position speakers) Please send him here. Basically, it’s all written just for him.....    http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/0/20297/32/2437 /#msg_20297

Hi "Peter,"

I did read it and also looked at the BMW links.  There was also something in there about a Petula somebody.

Oh, the RH that I referenced wasn't Ross, but engineer Ryan Hewitt.  He has a 335i, the B*stard.

Nice car.

DC

[brett]

Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 16:36

I used this guide and it works well.    http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_ id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup or you can use this guide http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm Or you can do it by listening and adjusting until it works correctly for you. Best of luck, it is a fun thing to do and you get to learn a lot about acoustics.

that guys method leaves you sitting almost directly at the center of the room. Not a good idea!

and his web site goes on to say

"An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor.

In Golden Section Stranding, strands are arranged so that every strand is coupled to another, whose note is irrational with its own dissipating conductor resonance. This creates a silenced conductor, allowing Cardas cable to produce the purest possible audio signal. No other cable geometry, no other conductor design, can create the listening magic of Golden Section Stranding."

Those patented Phi/Fibuonacci sequence cables are golden alright! Golden Goose Eggs!  

[masterhse]

PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 11:12

“Mispelling is often the sign of a good tech” Dear Tom, You must be a brilliant technician. The word ‘mispelling’ does not even occur in the dictionary. I believe the word you meant to write is ‘misspelling'. But misspelt it.

Sorry just catching up on this thread. No that spelling was intentional P. it's called a joke ... Glad to see that you picked up on the subtlety.

PP wrote on Sun, 25 November 2007 11:12

My purpose in writing is not to correct you, but to publicly convey your convincing technical prowess and engineering experience to the whole world. I'm concerned... Has there been too much fungicide sprayed on the apples you’ve been eating recently? As appears to be the case demonstrated here...              http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/156681-who-ha ndsome-young-man.html

Also a joke?

To quote one of the great bards of the late 70's:
"Does anyone remember laughter?"

[Larrchild]

Quote:

"An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor.

Vincent Van Haff! And the "Golden Mean"!
It's back!

[Thomas W. Bethel]

brett wrote on Tue, 27 November 2007 16:21

Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 16:36 I used this guide and it works well.      http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_ id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup or you can use this guide http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm Or you can do it by listening and adjusting until it works correctly for you. Best of luck, it is a fun thing to do and you get to learn a lot about acoustics.   that guys method leaves you sitting almost directly at the center of the room. Not a good idea! and his web site goes on to say "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. In Golden Section Stranding, strands are arranged so that every strand is coupled to another, whose note is irrational with its own dissipating conductor resonance. This creates a silenced conductor, allowing Cardas cable to produce the purest possible audio signal. No other cable geometry, no other conductor design, can create the listening magic of Golden Section Stranding." Those patented Phi/Fibuonacci sequence cables are golden alright! Golden Goose Eggs!

I personally don't agree with everything Mr. Cardas says BUT his system for setting up speakers seems to work for my situation(with a little "by ear" tweaking). I think his cables are overpriced and some of his ideas about cables are a bit "off the wall" from a physic's standpoint but he seems to sells a lot of them to golden eared audiophiles.....

I noticed that you were quick to shoot down this method but did not offer any suggestions that you had used and worked well for you so could you enlighten me what system you use in your "mastering room" and why you have found it to work so well.

By the way if you do the math you will see that you are NOT in the middle of the room if you follow the advice quoted in my original post.

[Tomas Danko]

Larrchild wrote on Tue, 27 November 2007 22:45

Quote: "An infinitely indivisible progression known as the Fibonacci sequence or golden section is the key to resonance control. The ratio of Phi, or 1 to 1.6180339887...to infinity, is the Golden Mean, called golden ratio or golden proportion. Cardas Audio holds the patent, U.S. Patent Number 4,628,151, where the ratio of Phi is applied to any electrical conductor. Vincent Van Haff! And the "Golden Mean"! It's back!

Goooooooold!