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Tidewater wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 21:03

Yes, anything. Maybe even truth. It's VERY effective. Look up KSM. What a tough guy, indoctrinating people to die. Consider him plucked, and fucked. These aren't just people who 'look like A-rabs'; they are captured operatives of a known network of retarded little Hitlers, who kill more people than drunk driving, and teen smoking combined. They cook over fire, and destroy lower Manhattan, yet  they purchase no carbon credits. Anyways, when you all finally decide you need someone who isn't afraid of being the guy who turned the thing around... harshly.. PM me. M

Or... Maybe they aren't that different from us. Maybe the U.S. government would like you to think that they "hate americans" when what they really hate is the way that the U.S. has treated them and their people.

Read: "The Osama Bin Laden I Know"

Learn.

You wouldn't be so quick to torture if it was your wife they wanted information from.

[Barry Hufker]

RPhilbeck,

You don't have to torture me to get what you want.  Look at me sternly and I'll tell you anything you want to know.  I'll tell you where my U47 is and anyone else's I know.

Gulp!

[Berolzheimer]

Tidewater wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 08:58

If I had three guys who planted a big bomb, and it was going off in 15 minutes, I'd use vice grips, and a torch. Then I'd carpet bomb the cave they were born in. Waterboarding works. It worked on KSM, pussy. If I knew of a terrorist just down the street.. I'd not pretend to drown him. They got something for me, but it's much better to give, than to receive. I can make the devil blush. Fuck 'em. M

You've been watching too much "24", Miles.
A little reminder- it's fiction.  Not reality.  Repeat- NOT REALITY.

[Berolzheimer]

RPhilbeck wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 11:26

In summary, I can't think of a single terrorist event occuring in  the U.S. since 9/11.  I can't help but wonder if these tactics have contributed to that.

Can you think of any before that?

[rankus]

RPhilbeck wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 11:26

In summary, I can't think of a single terrorist event occuring in  the U.S. since 9/11.  I can't help but wonder if these tactics have contributed to that.

Well thats if your talking about "confirmed" attacks that are acknowledged by the government... One has to wonder about the bridge falling down, a coupe of train wrecks here and there, as well as the "wildfires" etc...

I am convinced that the trade center/pentagon attacks had several planes involved for one reason:  

If one plane had hit the tower(s) it would have been written off as a "terrible accident"  or "mentally ill pilot" etc.  BUT there was no denying that this was a terrorist attack when there were multiple simultaneous targets.

My feeling is that there had been attacks before (and likely since) that were declared "accidents" and that this frustrated Osama to the point where he had to make a big undeniable statement.

[Tidewater]

Poor terrorist. Whatever.

I refuse to be bullied by cavemen, or any government.

Our government sucks, and terrorist have no idea I exist, yet.

Make the devil blush.

M

[Barry Hufker]

Miles... what is one to say about you?

[Tidewater]

I can't care, whatever you like.

Better every one of them, than a single one of you.

Act inhuman, lose your membership.


M

[mgod]

Tidewater wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 21:03

Anyways, when you all finally decide you need someone who isn't afraid of being the guy who turned the thing around... harshly.. PM me. M

Well.

Well well well.

There are so many people or organizations you could volunteer to, rather than just this website. What's holding you back?

http://www.goarmy.com/flindex.jsp

Try not to use the word "retard" so much when you contact them though. It kind of makes you look a little , uh...

DS

[Daniel Farris]

Tidewater wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 08:58

If I had three guys who planted a big bomb, and it was going off in 15 minutes, I'd use vice grips, and a torch. Then I'd carpet bomb the cave they were born in. Waterboarding works. It worked on KSM, pussy. If I knew of a terrorist just down the street.. I'd not pretend to drown him. They got something for me, but it's much better to give, than to receive. I can make the devil blush. Fuck 'em. M

You win the contest. You hate terrorists more than anyone else.

Do you agree with China torturing the pro democracy terrorists in their country?

DF

[wwittman]

PRobb wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 15:05

RPhilbeck wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 14:55 Point taken, but it was a different era, different enemy, and very different motives.  Allah commands far more allegiance than the Furor ever did.  Comparisons to past conflicts are futile.  They just don't relate. Agreed. How do you threaten a suicide bomber with death?

and yet we prosecuted the Japanese (who flew suicide missions) for warcrimes for waterboarding.

how did we manage to win the war agianst suicide pilots without resorting to torture?

[rphilbeck]

wwittman wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 02:16

PRobb wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 15:05 RPhilbeck wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 14:55 Point taken, but it was a different era, different enemy, and very different motives.  Allah commands far more allegiance than the Furor ever did.  Comparisons to past conflicts are futile.  They just don't relate. Agreed. How do you threaten a suicide bomber with death? and yet we prosecuted the Japanese (who flew suicide missions) for warcrimes for waterboarding. how did we manage to win the war agianst suicide pilots without resorting to torture?

The Japanese went much further than water boarding when it came to torture.  You're trying to make it sound like that was the limit of their methods, and that is just not so.  Research the actual trials please.  Again, an inaccurate comparison devised for the sake of pushing your agenda.

In regards to your second question: They were an orthodox enemy with a organized and identifiable army.  And it really has less to do with "winning" as it does with "winning" with as few allied casualties as possible.  

We are going to win this war.  If water boarding helps us get to that win with a few less allied casualties than so be it.  

[maxdimario]

this is silly.

if the USA wanted to WIN the war they would have done so years ago.

I wish people would stop taking sides  and objectively look at who is running the show..

vietnam was never 'won'.

[mgod]

Oh, I don't know about that. Dow Chemical did pretty well in that one.

DS

[Daniel Farris]

mgod wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 07:28

Oh, I don't know about that. Dow Chemical did pretty well in that one. DS

Yeah, and this administration just LOVES to move the goalposts. "Winning," in this case, means investing in oil, gold, KBR, and the Carlyle Group.

Lots of people are winning this war. And the longer it goes, the more winning they seem to do. For them, we only lose if we ever stop fighting.

DF