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wwittman

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The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« on: October 07, 2007, 12:36:32 PM »

It's been going on for several years at least.

But the invasion has recently been accelerating.


It USED to be that different regions, different cities, even different neighbourhoods, produced different accents around America.
A very good thing.

But of course television and radio have unified the country in a sense. Now everyone hears everyone else.

And for whatever reasons, a certain artificial sound has become associated with an 'educated' or 'refined' accent.

A similar thing happened in Britain perhaps 20 years agoit when the softer an 'R' you had, the more refined you were... which lead to a generation of affected accents with r's SO soft that they were what speech pathologists call a 'dark L'.
it sounds like a speech impediment!

It's almost as though they are saying "I weft my house at thwee o'clock"


but back to America...

There is one vowel sound, one phoneme, that is the AH sound.

Think of the way most Americans would say the O in olive, or in plot.
Or the tock, as in tick-tock.

The A in Palm. or Psalm.

but this sound is taking over.

There are some regional accents that said the word TALK with that sound.
In the midwest, people might very well say "I tocked to him"

But NOT in New York, NOT in Texas, NOT in Alabama or Arizona or Maine.

And that's one use.

Now I see talking heads on television bending themselves into knots to use ONLY that sound as much  as possible.
Often slipping in and out of it as they struggle to 'correct' their natural accents, saying the same word twice, two different ways, in the same sentence.


I heard someone on the radio talking about a 'STOCKER" and I swear I pictured a guy who shifts boxes at the grocery store for the first 5 minutes until only the context told me she meant a STALKER.

I BRAHT my sister to the show?
pronounced like the brat in bratwurst, instead of BROUGHT????
really?
WHAT accent IS that?

Today I saw Chris Matthews on tv talking about campaign SAHNGS.
WHAT??
Again, maybe I'm slow, but it took me 4 examples before I finally got that he was standing on his head trying to mispronounce SONGS.

And it was just so ODD.
It's one thing when someone has a natural different accent. More often than not, it's clear in part becasue it's so ingrained in his/her speech.
These people are trying to affect the difference, and it comes out so unnatural and peculiar that it only makes it additionally more difficult to UNDERSTAND.

Which at least used to be the point of language.




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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2007, 03:18:18 PM »

That´s interesting. Fortunately that´s not happening to the german language in general.
But there is a form of streamlining going on in popular music, same way as you describe it, where artist who used to sing in their "own" german adopt to a certain artificial german. F.e. the word "ich" would turn into "ech" (NO german, austrian or swiss would ever talk this way in no form of dialect, maybe in comedy)
or "wir" would turn into "wia".

I hate it when austrian singers, forced or not, talk or sing that way, it´s just stupid.

cheers
ST

btw

I always thought that the A in "BRAHT" and/or "SAHNGS" is one typical american thing. Like CAHPS instead of caps, heard that many times..

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2007, 04:16:01 PM »

steveeastend wrote on Sun, 07 October 2007 21:18

That´s interesting. Fortunately that´s not happening to the german language in general.
But there is a form of streamlining going on in popular music, same way as you describe it, where artist who used to sing in their "own" german adopt to a certain artificial german. F.e. the word "ich" would turn into "ech" (NO german, austrian or swiss would ever talk this way in no form of dialect, maybe in comedy)
or "wir" would turn into "wia".

I hate it when austrian singers, forced or not, talk or sing that way, it´s just stupid.

cheers
ST

btw

I always thought that the A in "BRAHT" and/or "SAHNGS" is one typical american thing. Like CAHPS instead of caps, heard that many times..


that sounds like a nono-friend of falco Very Happy

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2007, 04:37:28 PM »

Falco definitely had it´s own language. But your right, he adopted somehow to pop-german during his career though. But his first two records showed an incredible mixture of the traditional "b

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2007, 06:32:37 PM »

Related to those who sing like autotune.

We used to live in villages, with local heroes.

Nevermore.



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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 10:46:07 AM »

Isn't this related to the same phenomenon which suggests that anyone who actually knows how to pronounce "nuclear" is an effete northeastern intellectual snob that you wouldn't want to have a beer with?

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2007, 11:10:56 AM »

mgod wrote on Mon, 08 October 2007 15:46

Isn't this related to the same phenomenon which suggests that anyone who actually knows how to pronounce "nuclear" is an effete northeastern intellectual snob that you wouldn't want to have a beer with?

DS



Is it really so easy to be seen as a snob?

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 11:17:24 AM »

I find it deliciously ironic that William is bent out of shape over the seeming homogenization of certain aspects of our spoken language, yet his writing is a virtual primer for "internet clause-speak".  Just say "NO" to incomplete sentences and chopped-up prose!

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 11:31:03 AM »

steveeastend wrote on Mon, 08 October 2007 08:10

mgod wrote on Mon, 08 October 2007 15:46

Isn't this related to the same phenomenon which suggests that anyone who actually knows how to pronounce "nuclear" is an effete northeastern intellectual snob that you wouldn't want to have a beer with?

DS

Is it really so easy to be seen as a snob?

Tbanks to the marketing of northeastern born and Yale "educated" George W. Bush, yes it is.

DS
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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 04:51:33 PM »

American English is our language so we'll say it any damn way we Wahnt!  Razz    Very Happy

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2007, 11:42:43 PM »

I'm glad I brAHt up the issue of how you tAHk even if you feel I AHt not tell you how to speak.

My friend ClAHdia and her friend, AHdrey, were both bAHt new books by this AHthor they really like.

Good someone cAHt the way I split up sentences in my posting.
The medium is frAHt with problems.
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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2007, 01:32:05 AM »

I tawk like this.  And it has brawt me much plezure.  The thing irking me is:

So like I was talking to this girl -- you know what I'm sayin'? And like she was all in my face like I had done somethin' wrong -- you know what I'm sayin'?  So like it was like I said it's my way or the highway bitch.  You know what I'm sayin'?  Like I don't get her or nothin'.  Like she thinks she's somethin' or somethin'.  Like what am I -- you know what I'm sayin'?


Between "like" and "you know what I'm sayin'" I'd like to strangle people who tawk like that.  You know what I'm sayin'?

Barry
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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2007, 11:48:38 AM »

Barry Hufker wrote on Fri, 12 October 2007 22:32

Between "like" and "you know what I'm sayin'" I'd like to strangle people who tawk like that.  You know what I'm sayin'?
Barry

It's "nomsayn", just for the record.

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2007, 12:23:56 PM »

I always that it was "nomsang." More musical.

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Re: The Phoneme That Ate America - coming to YOUR town now
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2007, 12:27:20 PM »

mgod wrote on Mon, 08 October 2007 07:46

 phenomenon

DS


Did you mean to write "phonemenon"?
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