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Iain Graham

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New Radiohead Album
« on: September 30, 2007, 09:07:14 PM »

www.radiohead.com

Direct selling via download or made to order CDs and vinyl.

None of the usual retail distribution.

Is this how we're going to see things from now on? Or are Radiohead one of the few bands around just now who can do that?
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2007, 09:52:17 PM »

Peter Gabriel's next album is also not going to be aided with a label.  Course I don't think his sales are expected to be near Radiohead levels
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2007, 10:29:42 PM »

wow. every time i see radiohead live, i'm amazed (besides the music) that they'll sell out a 50K person venue almost instantly and have had almost no radio / video support in probably almost 10 years (at least that's how long it's been since ok computer). i can't wait to hear the album.

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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2007, 10:44:33 PM »

one other thing, if you choose to buy the "download only version" you basically make up your price (there is a blank form box where you fill in what you'll pay).

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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2007, 02:43:22 AM »

The 'discbox' offer is both vinyl & cd plus other sundries in one package:

DISCBOX
THIS CONSISTS OF THE NEW ALBUM, IN RAINBOWS, ON CD
AND ON 2 X 12 INCH HEAVYWEIGHT VINYL RECORDS.
A SECOND, ENHANCED CD CONTAINS MORE NEW SONGS, ALONG WITH DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHS AND ARTWORK.
THE DISCBOX ALSO INCLUDES ARTWORK AND LYRIC BOOKLETS.
ALL ARE ENCASED IN A HARDBACK BOOK AND SLIPCASE.

THE ALBUM DOWNLOAD AUTOMATICALLY COMES WITH THIS PACK.



For the download only you pay what you like:

Instead of listing a price for the music, the group's website simply states "it's up to you" - and then adds: "No really, it's up to you."


Interesting move,

What does seem to be the pattern though is well known artistes who go the ultimate DIY route, selling from their site only, tend to return to working with labels - I can only assume this is due to website / DIY sales being a small fraction of what they were with a regular label - not to mention much less of an impact with promotion, press, hype etc..

Just look at Prince, as one example - he's gone back to dealing with Major labels....
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2007, 10:08:17 AM »

Also, in the Prince/Daily Mail example, the number of copies were limited to the number of newspapers.  The Radiohead deal is unlimited.

I guess they're one of those bands who's back catalog sells well when a new album comes out.
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2007, 11:14:46 AM »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

Radiohead to give away new album

By Angela Monaghan


Radiohead, the internationally renowned band, has taken the unusual step of telling fans that they can pay as much or as little as they like for the band's new album In Rainbows.

In a break from industry tradition the UK band famous for hits including Creep, Paranoid Android and Karma Police, has told fans "it's up to you" what they pay to digitally download the album.

This isn't the first time that an artist has opted to charge nothing for its album, but the move is significant because Radiohead remains one of the biggest bands in the world.

Radiohead is free to sell its album directly from its official website because it is no longer tied to a record label. So far the album is only available to pre-order from the website, where it can be downloaded on release on October 10.

While loyal fans are likely to want to pay the band something, customers could opt to pay as little 45p - the credit card handling fee.

The album is also available separately as part of a
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 11:34:11 AM »

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It is likely that many of its millions of die-hard fans will be unable to resist buying the box-set, available in December,


Wow...marketing to people who are fans of music and/or Radiohead.

This is revolutionary. Whoever thought of this deserves a Nobel. Laughing
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 12:21:58 PM »

The thing is people always forget to consider these kind of DIY artist schemes are more advantageous when you've built up a huge following via the regular channels - FWIW I won't be surprised at all to see Radiohead back on some kind of established label in the future, when they notice this new DIY release has sold far less for far more hassles than their prior 'label' albums..
Just my 2c,
I wish them luck,
I quite liked OK Computer..
Wonder how the new record sounds?
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 01:50:37 PM »

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this new DIY release has sold far less for far more hassles than their prior 'label' albums..


Who knows how this will pan out, but just some outloud thinking here...

If they sell 10k units of the box set they stand to profit 400k US. The only hassle being a web presence which would be administered by someone else anyhow.

Now the question is how much hassle would they endure and how many CD's would they have to sell through a label to net themselves 500k?

Obviously the advantage of mass exposure, even if the profits are the same or less, helps sell concert tickets... no doubt.

But in most industries, the middle is getting sqeezed out completely. Either your international with mass exposure (like Walmart) or you cater to niche markets at much higher prices for the discerning customers. Both models have their merits.

Ultimately volume means nothing, it's the profit that counts. How many times have you been surprised by a business that closed down, even though it looked like they were extremely busy?

One thing to remember, high volume businesses work on very low margins - it's very risky and small bumps in the business cycle have heavy impacts.
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2007, 01:51:09 PM »

The whole thing makes perfect sense to me.

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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2007, 02:01:19 PM »

kats wrote on Mon, 01 October 2007 19:50

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this new DIY release has sold far less for far more hassles than their prior 'label' albums..


Who knows how this will pan out, but just some outloud thinking here...

If they sell 10k units of the box set they stand to profit 400k US. The only hassle being a web presence which would be administered by someone else anyhow.

Now the question is how much hassle would they endure and how many CD's would they have to sell through a label to net themselves 500k?

Obviously the advantage of mass exposure, even if the profits are the same or less, helps sell concert tickets... no doubt.

But in most industries, the middle is getting sqeezed out completely. Either your international with mass exposure (like Walmart) or you cater to niche markets at much higher prices for the discerning customers. Both models have their merits.

Ultimately volume means nothing, it's the profit that counts. How many times have you been surprised by a business that closed down, even though it looked like they were extremely busy?

One thing to remember, high volume businesses work on very low margins - it's very risky and small bumps in the business cycle have heavy impacts.


Interesting points,
Also who knows how the RH thing will pan out indeed,
I am curious!
It seems logical to assume though that fewer sales = fewer concert ticket buyers..
My money is on Radiohead watching their star fade & returning to the label fold at some future date...
Could be wrogn though...
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2007, 02:25:34 PM »

apparently the website is crashing often with the intitial curiosity. wonder if it will kepp up and translate int alot of actual sales or just tons of free downloads
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2007, 02:30:36 PM »

I bet you most who download from the site will pay something,
Its likely mainly kids on P2P who will be doing the free thing,
More on the release in Time online,
it seems Radiohead's move has taken everyone by surprise,
What a lot of free press!!

Radiohead Says: Pay What You Want
Monday, Oct. 01, 2007 By JOSH TYRANGIEL


Roughly 12,000 albums are released in an average year, so the announcement late Sunday night that the new Radiohead record, In Rainbows, will be out Oct. 10 is not itself big news. Sure, Radiohead is on a sustained run as the most interesting and innovative band in rock, but what makes In Rainbows important — easily the most important release in the recent history of the music business — are its record label and its retail price: there is none, and there is none.

In Rainbows will be released as a digital download available only via the band's web site, Radiohead.com. There's no label or distribution partner to cut into the band's profits — but then there may not be any profits. Drop In Rainbows' 15 songs into the on-line checkout basket and a question mark pops up where the price would normally be. Click it, and the prompt "It's Up To You" appears. Click again and it refreshes with the words "It's Really Up To You" — and really, it is. It's the first major album whose price is determined by what individual consumers want to pay for it. And it's perfectly acceptable to pay nothing at all.

Radiohead's contract with EMI/Capitol expired after its last record, Hail to the Thief, was released in 2003; shortly before the band started writing new songs, singer Thom Yorke told TIME, "I like the people at our record company, but the time is at hand when you have to ask why anyone needs one. And, yes, it probably would give us some perverse pleasure to say 'F___ you' to this decaying business model." On Sunday night, guitarist Jonny Greenwood took to Radiohead's Dead Air Space blog and nonchalantly announced, "Hello everyone. Well, the new album is finished, and it's coming out in 10 days. We've called it In Rainbows. Love from us all."

While many industry observers speculated that Radiohead might go off-label for its seventh album, it was presumed the band would at least rely on Apple's iTunes or United Kingdom-based online music store 7digital for distribution. Few suspected the band members had the ambition (or the server capacity) to put an album out on their own. The final decision was apparently made just a few weeks ago, and, when informed of the news on Sunday, several record executives admitted that, despite the rumors, they were stunned. "This feels like yet another death knell," emailed an A&R executive at a major European label. "If the best band in the world doesn't want a part of us, I'm not sure what's left for this business."

Labels can still be influential and profitable by focusing on younger acts that need their muscle to get radio play and placement in record stores — but only if the music itself remains a saleable commodity. "That's the interesting part of all this," says a producer who works primarily with American rap artists. "Radiohead is the best band in the world; if you can pay whatever you want for music by the best band in the world, why would you pay $13 dollars or $.99 cents for music by somebody less talented? Once you open that door and start giving music away legally, I'm not sure there's any going back."

The ramifications of Radiohead's pay-what-you-want experiment will take time to sort out, but for established artists at least, turning what was once their highest value asset — a much buzzed-about new album — into a loss leader may be the wave of the future. Even under the most lucrative record deals, the ones reserved for repeat, multi-platinum superstars, the artists can end up with less than 30% of overall sales revenue (which often is then split among several band members). Meanwhile, as record sales decline, the concert business is booming. In July, Prince gave away his album Planet Earth for free in the U.K. through the downmarket Mail on Sunday newspaper. At first he was ridiculed. Then he announced 21 consecutive London concert dates — and sold out every one of them.
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Re: New Radiohead Album
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2007, 05:54:59 PM »

I wish they had a middle ground option. It's either a few bucks for the download or $82 (with current exchange rates) for the Discbox. What about those of us who would just like the CD and the disc of extra music? I don't need CD's, vinyl, download, book, etc...
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