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[CHANCE]

JP Gerard wrote on Fri, 24 August 2007 12:46

CHANCE wrote on Sun, 19 August 2007 03:57 It could very well be an excellent mic. It's made by 797 audio which is one of only three QUALITY manufacturers in China. And who told you that????? That's so fucking far for the truth it's laughable!!!

I stated that "it could very well be an excellent mic" and if you think thats so far from the truth, thats your opinion. Mine sounds excellent.

[hargerst]

Ok, before we all get our panties in a wad, J.P. Gerard is one of the ADK designers.  Larry's sending me an A6 and an S7 to test.  If it sucks, I'll tell everybody; if they don't, I'll tell everybody that as well.  I'll also, with Larry's permission, send them to any regular here that wants to try them for a week.

[Trumpetman2]

hargerst wrote on Fri, 24 August 2007 19:13

Ok, before we all get our panties in a wad, J.P. Gerard is one of the ADK designers.  Larry's sending me an A6 and an S7 to test.  If it sucks, I'll tell everybody; if they don't, I'll tell everybody that as well.  I'll also, with Larry's permission, send them to any regular here that wants to try them for a week.

Harvey:  Please try them on TRUMPET!!!!

[hargerst]

Trumpetman2 wrote on Sat, 25 August 2007 07:55

hargerst wrote on Fri, 24 August 2007 19:13 Ok, before we all get our panties in a wad, J.P. Gerard is one of the ADK designers.  Larry's sending me an A6 and an S7 to test.  If it sucks, I'll tell everybody; if they don't, I'll tell everybody that as well.  I'll also, with Larry's permission, send them to any regular here that wants to try them for a week. Harvey:  Please try them on TRUMPET!!!!

How 'bout instead, I send them to you after I test them, and you try it on YOUR TRUMPET in YOUR ROOM and you post a report?

[Larry Villella]

All we can ask is evaluate the A6 / S-7 based on real-world analysis.

In a world glutted with cheap mics, our goal is to swim upstream.

JP and I spent 3 years with our PhD buddy in Australia trying
something entirely new (even radical) in our approach to building mics.  

Can something be Awesome And Affordable ???

Harvey - you guys decide!!!  I've stated my opinion.

After 40 years of collecting vintage condensers, I know that
I'm totally stoked about these new mics!! I think you will be too!

[Trumpetman2]

hargerst wrote on Sat, 25 August 2007 11:50

Trumpetman2 wrote on Sat, 25 August 2007 07:55 hargerst wrote on Fri, 24 August 2007 19:13 Ok, before we all get our panties in a wad, J.P. Gerard is one of the ADK designers.  Larry's sending me an A6 and an S7 to test.  If it sucks, I'll tell everybody; if they don't, I'll tell everybody that as well.  I'll also, with Larry's permission, send them to any regular here that wants to try them for a week. Harvey:  Please try them on TRUMPET!!!! How 'bout instead, I send them to you after I test them, and you try it on YOUR TRUMPET in YOUR ROOM and you post a report?

Harvey:  You got it!  But, do remember, I am NOT a pro engineer; I am a pro trumpet player, but that doesn't mean I am good at recording....although, I guess that will be the ultimate test of a good inexpensive mic- to see how a home recordist deals with it!  I do have a Great River M1NV and a Soundtracs console, so, we shall see....let me know when you want my address...  

[JP Gerard]

Harvey, sorry for losing my temper here, I just wish folks would check the FACTS before posting, epspecially when they talk about someone else's products.

[hargerst]

No problem, J.P..  That's why these BBS's are important; a manufacturer can instantly and easily correct a mistaken fact.

[CHANCE]

JP Gerard wrote on Sun, 26 August 2007 00:37

Harvey, sorry for losing my temper here, I just wish folks would check the FACTS before posting, epspecially when they talk about someone else's products.

Perhaps an apology is in order. Until AFTER I posted, I  ( as well as many others ) were under the assumption that 797 was still manufacturing your product. 797 is no doubt the best China has to offer. They make no "rebranded mics". They only make for OEM.  I conversed with Larry ( a true gentleman ) and he filled me in on the facts. I have some of your former mics (797), and like I stated they are excellent. I would love to share what Larry shared with me, but it is not my place to do that in an open forum, but I think it would be very benificial for you if the public was aware of all these wonderful changes in the ADK family.

[JP Gerard]

CHANCE wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 00:15

797 is no doubt the best China has to offer.

Not quite my opinion...

[Larry Villella]

There are four things that matter to me in building gear:


Tonality
Utility
Durability
Affordability

For ADK-Built products from San Diego, Seattle, or Shanghai,
we have the same mentality.  And Yes - Nine and a half years
later we've finally created a Great Space in two NEW Asian Factories.

Yet if ADK were made in Switzerland by the elves in the woods, with a chassis
made of unobtainium,  with black-hills gold diaphragms, and a phase-correcting
algorithm in the circuitry - it still only would matter if you like the sound of it!!!!!!


"Think with Your Ears!"

[Ashermusic]

Larry Villella wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 19:25

There are four things that matter to me in building gear: Tonality Utility Durability Affordability For ADK-Built products from San Diego, Seattle, or Shanghai, we have the same mentality.  And Yes - Nine and a half years later we've finally created a Great Space in two NEW Asian Factories. Yet if ADK were made in Switzerland by the elves in the woods, with a chassis made of unobtainium,  with black-hills gold diaphragms, and a phase-correcting algorithm in the circuitry - it still only would matter if you like the sound of it!!!!!! "Think with Your Ears!"

Larry i am sorry to be the skunk at the picnic but is there really no alternatives to China to get good products at a decent price?

I really am reluctant to help subsidize their human rights practices not only in China but around the world.

I am  not going to lie and say that if comparable products are twice as much money that I advocate buying them but I certainly would pay i.e. $750 for a non-Chinese one to i.e. $500 for a Chinese made one.

[Hank Alrich]

Larry Villella wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 11:25

There are four things that matter to me in building gear: Tonality

That's not a word properly attached to mic performance. The word you wanted is "tone". From Wikipedia:

"Tonality is a system of music in which certain hierarchical pitch relationships are based on a key "center" or tonic. The term tonalit

[Trumpetman2]

Ashermusic wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 12:04

Larry Villella wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 19:25 There are four things that matter to me in building gear: Tonality Utility Durability Affordability For ADK-Built products from San Diego, Seattle, or Shanghai, we have the same mentality.  And Yes - Nine and a half years later we've finally created a Great Space in two NEW Asian Factories. Yet if ADK were made in Switzerland by the elves in the woods, with a chassis made of unobtainium,  with black-hills gold diaphragms, and a phase-correcting algorithm in the circuitry - it still only would matter if you like the sound of it!!!!!! "Think with Your Ears!" Larry i am sorry to be the skunk at the picnic but is there really no alternatives to China to get good products at a decent price? I really am reluctant to help subsidize their human rights practices not only in China but around the world. I am  not going to lie and say that if comparable products are twice as much money that I advocate buying them but I certainly would pay i.e. $750 for a non-Chinese one to i.e. $500 for a Chinese made one.

I wish it were THAT easy - I would also rather pay $750 for an American-made product versus $500 for a Chinese-made one; the problem is that it is usually more like $2,000.00 for the American-made product, versus $300 for a similar Chinese made product!!!!!!  I am not THAT patriotic!!!!

[Ashermusic]

Trumpetman2 wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 17:42

Ashermusic wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 12:04 Larry Villella wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 19:25 There are four things that matter to me in building gear: Tonality Utility Durability Affordability For ADK-Built products from San Diego, Seattle, or Shanghai, we have the same mentality.  And Yes - Nine and a half years later we've finally created a Great Space in two NEW Asian Factories. Yet if ADK were made in Switzerland by the elves in the woods, with a chassis made of unobtainium,  with black-hills gold diaphragms, and a phase-correcting algorithm in the circuitry - it still only would matter if you like the sound of it!!!!!! "Think with Your Ears!" Larry i am sorry to be the skunk at the picnic but is there really no alternatives to China to get good products at a decent price? I really am reluctant to help subsidize their human rights practices not only in China but around the world. I am  not going to lie and say that if comparable products are twice as much money that I advocate buying them but I certainly would pay i.e. $750 for a non-Chinese one to i.e. $500 for a Chinese made one. I wish it were THAT easy - I would also rather pay $750 for an American-made product versus $500 for a Chinese-made one; the problem is that it is usually more like $2,000.00 for the American-made product, versus $300 for a similar Chinese made product!!!!!!  I am not THAT patriotic!!!!

1. I understand that and believe me I am also forced to be very  price-conscious in my gear buying decisions. That is why I am seeking to get educated here on the economic realities.

2. Also, there are a lot of countries in the world besides the US and  China so are there not other alternatives to China that may not be so blatantly bad as China?

3. For me, it is not a matter of patriotism, it is a matter of humanity.

I hope we are human beings first and audio professionals second. I do not want to believe that in the audio community there is a prevailing attitude of "As long as I can get the gear I want at a price I want I don't give a damn about whether people suffer."