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j.hall

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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #255 on: August 07, 2007, 05:57:59 pm »

there is NO bottom in the original kick.

or something happened to your mp3, or i'm just CRAZY.
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #256 on: August 07, 2007, 06:25:30 pm »

Well my woofers are tiny so I'll take your word for it :\
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #257 on: August 07, 2007, 06:57:43 pm »

good, accurate headphones are great for referencing the low end on kick drums. i noticed a few years ago that my favorite rock kick drum tones sound pretty damn clean when i listen to them on my Beyers. so now when i mix, i usually bump the 80-100hz zone and compress 'til they get rumbly in the cans, then back off slowly.

also, make sure the rumble isn't coming from the 200-400 region. that crud will reduce attack and make it sound pillow-y.
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #258 on: August 07, 2007, 08:08:37 pm »

j wrote:

"is that a bandpassed delay on the bass? '

there is a modulation chain on the bass, but the "bandpassedness" is from an accidental phase inversion on one of the bass tracks, i think

"Is that conan singing with the lead vox?"

yes

"That?s freaking me out."

good...
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #259 on: August 07, 2007, 10:47:33 pm »

pg666 wrote on Tue, 07 August 2007 17:57



also, make sure the rumble isn't coming from the 200-400 region. that crud will reduce attack and make it sound pillow-y.


although don't be quick to cut this range either.

it holds a lot of impact.  100 - 250 is power.  give or take some Hz.

just be careful in the mids.  you really want all that stuff there.....not too much, not too little.

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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #260 on: August 08, 2007, 03:45:42 pm »

j.hall wrote on Tue, 07 August 2007 14:17


...baddo

NICE!  Snare feels thin, but this is nit picking.  Nice mix man.  
What is your  room like?  Curious cause the sonics feel really controlled.


Hey, thanks for the compliments. That snare came back and haunted me haha.

My room is far from being perfect, but I know it very well.

PS: I'll do my reviews very very soon, I promise.
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #261 on: August 08, 2007, 05:09:07 pm »

"knowing is half the battle" - G.I. Joe
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #262 on: August 08, 2007, 05:53:11 pm »

Baddo wrote on Wed, 08 August 2007 14:45

j.hall wrote on Tue, 07 August 2007 14:17


...baddo

NICE!  Snare feels thin, but this is nit picking.  Nice mix man.  
What is your  room like?  Curious cause the sonics feel really controlled.


Hey, thanks for the compliments. That snare came back and haunted me haha.

My room is far from being perfect, but I know it very well.

PS: I'll do my reviews very very soon, I promise.


Man, that was one of my favorites in the critique that I did. I wish that I had that kind of meat in the low end. That didn't come out right. I still love the mix man!


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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #263 on: August 08, 2007, 05:57:05 pm »

j.hall wrote on Wed, 08 August 2007 14:09

"knowing is half the battle" - G.I. Joe


"No, knowing is all the battle."

Mr. C. my 4th grade teacher in response.
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #264 on: August 10, 2007, 07:05:02 am »

Thanks everybody for your comments.

Yesterday I tweaked my mix a little:
- This time I used samples for the snare. I originally tried to make the most of the given snare without using samples but that obviously didn't work out.

- I also rolled of some of the aggressive highs of the OH's and reduced the level of the duplicated, distorted, octave up basslayers a little.


Hey Matt, was the snare as dead as it sounded?


There were a few mixes where I commented that I'd like to hear the drums edited. My take on do/do not edit drums is what kind of mix you want to make.

The more you mix this track as a clean rock track the more I feel you should edit timing mistakes. If you mix to express the chaos and mess of the track I couldn't care less about fucked up timing. If you would go all Trevor Horn on this track I'd expect the timing of these tracks to be heavily edited. For me the style of the mix also dictates the amount of editing.
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #265 on: August 10, 2007, 08:04:55 am »

ATOR -

The kit was an old gretsch kit, and the snare was a reallllly deep snare drum.  It was pretty dead sounding.  I also blame a lot of it on mic placement, since at the time I didn't really pay attention to what I was doing.  The sessions was literally an in/out kind of situation, so the general feeling was 'is it recording? yeah? ok, lets do this'.  Extremely fun way to make a record, but doesn't yield the greatest sounds when you're fairly new to this kind of thing.

You really should (if you haven't) check out some of the V.O.D. stuff Dave Sardy did, it seemed like that was where you were trying to take the drums when I heard yours.  

Matt
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #266 on: August 10, 2007, 09:12:43 am »

ATOR wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 06:05

The more you mix this track as a clean rock track the more I feel you should edit timing mistakes. If you mix to express the chaos and mess of the track I couldn't care less about fucked up timing. If you would go all Trevor Horn on this track I'd expect the timing of these tracks to be heavily edited. For me the style of the mix also dictates the amount of editing.


Why couldn't I have just said it that way?  Confused

"cause I'm an asshole-e-o-e-o-e-oooooo, he's an asshole-e-o-e-o-e-oooooo"
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #267 on: August 10, 2007, 01:22:42 pm »

One of these days in the near future I'll have to get to my reviews of the mixes...

In the meantime these storms in the city are fucking up our mojo here at the studio. Damn these old new york buildings.
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #268 on: August 10, 2007, 05:54:21 pm »

M Carter wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 14:04

ATOR -

The kit was an old gretsch kit, and the snare was a reallllly deep snare drum.  It was pretty dead sounding.  I also blame a lot of it on mic placement, since at the time I didn't really pay attention to what I was doing.  The sessions was literally an in/out kind of situation, so the general feeling was 'is it recording? yeah? ok, lets do this'.  Extremely fun way to make a record, but doesn't yield the greatest sounds when you're fairly new to this kind of thing.

You really should (if you haven't) check out some of the V.O.D. stuff Dave Sardy did, it seemed like that was where you were trying to take the drums when I heard yours.  

Matt


Thanks for the info Matt.

Looking back what got me frustrated in getting the snare to sound like I wanted was that I was trying to make the low snaredrum sound like a higher tuned snare using eq and compression. Maybe I should have pitched the snaretrack, never tried it but it might work.

I listened to some online VOD Imprint snippets and I hear what you mean, I'll check out some more.

Just checked out your signature studio, not quite what I expected after hearing these tracks  Laughing
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Re: imp13 discussion
« Reply #269 on: August 10, 2007, 07:58:23 pm »

j.hall wrote on Tue, 07 August 2007 14:17

cjwallgor

man I love this!  I usually try to visualize mixes that I?m ?reviewing?.  See what it makes me think of.  As in a place, time, situation.  This mix makes me feel like I?m in a horror movie hearing the band through a wall.  But not in a bad EQ way.  It?s haunting sounding, but really pissed off.  This might be my favorite mix.  The drums are all blown out sounding, and the bass is all low mid and a touch hollow.  I really like this vibe for the song!


Thanks man!  This is the sound I had in my head for this song (give or take, haha, one can only do so much in two hours!)

I wanted to take the over-the-top not care attitude a step further and make everything kind of ugly and slamming.
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