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Millennia Mic Pre's
« on: June 28, 2007, 09:56:54 PM »

Hello Fletcher,

Has Mercenary ever evaluated Millennia equipment? If so, wadda you think?  Shocked

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 05:38:52 PM »

hmmm...

can't wait for this answer.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2007, 12:13:13 AM »

Does that mean they suck?
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2007, 11:52:13 PM »

I am not fletcher..  happy me Laughing

millenias are great preamps sonically. the main problem is in the cards.. in the 4 or 8 channel preamp ur tech-department or dealer needs to have one replacement-card spare because one channel will fuck up for sure in the first year (that was like a profecy with the new messias.. but.. I stick with it Laughing)  Twisted Evil

I love them besides this technical issue. they have less balls and are not as coloring as US-preamps-brands, but the sound is in your face, absolutely fantastci on drums and vocals. never tried em guitars or something..

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2007, 08:40:11 AM »

Thanks for the reply.

I've been hearing a lot about these boxes lately. Seems like more people are starting to use them and are very happy with 'em. That being said, the last thing I would want is to have one tank during a "magic" monent.

Maybe I'll wait and see a little longer before I consider purchasing one...
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2007, 10:59:46 AM »

Fletcher's lack of response says it all.

Sometimes one can read into what one doesn't say.

If you are interested in this brand, rent before you buy!

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 05:35:44 PM »

Got an HV-3D and a TD-1 here.  Great sounding, no problems.  I'm surprised to hear about the  8 channel having a channel crap out.  We've had our 8-channel for almost 3 years now and have never had a problem.

We use them on drums, guitar, brass and string sections all the time.  They're great.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2007, 10:04:16 PM »

I own an 8-channel HV3D.  Had one channel crap out, but they sent me a card in the mail which was no big deal to swap out.

I am not sorry I have it - it sounds great and it's a great deal.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2007, 12:10:20 AM »

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I've never understood the hype about these mic pres.
there are so many better options.

Pendulum MDP-1
Aphex 1100
DAV BG-1
Summit TPA 200B

I admit the packaging of the Millennias looks great, but as said above
rent and listen.  I own all of the above and have compared them to the Millennias,
one on one blind.  I purchased what liked.

They are a big seller, however.  So, as always, try it.  If you like it, buy it.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2007, 06:17:32 PM »

I have the two-channel HV-3C standard (no 130V Phtm. power).  It sounds fantastically clean with the right mic and source.  Though I can't use a 130V B&K with this preamp, the U87ai sounds very good through it.  I use a Manley El-Op as limiter between the Millennia HV-3C and a Mytek 8X96 ADC.  On voice overs and Rap, this works very well.  I think if the sound in the room is good, this preamp would not ruin it.  That's what it's for.  It's not a color box or Art pre.


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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2007, 05:27:49 AM »

We have 24 channels of HV3D here.
Never any problems, always sounds good.
The only problem is we don't have enough channels for some clients who love them.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2007, 11:16:58 AM »

Then whip out that soldering iron and make some. Get those knockoff kits from Seventh Circle and save $$$. Pop in some MAT-02 front end transistors in place of the LM394's and use some decent opamps, (not the dirty OPA604).

You do remember how to solder?
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2007, 07:18:47 AM »

There are a several options for "clean" pre-amps... for that matter, "clean" is it's own color.  Much like there are about 4000 shades of white at the paint store there are 4000 shades of "clean" when it comes to mic amplifiers.

In the amazing world of "clean" I have found the Millennia to be an amazingly boring version of the species... the GML, the Martech, the John Hardy all have more soul and depth.  There are even tube based units like the DW Fearn, the EAR, the Pendulum MDP-1 that are exciting and [dare I say] "sexier" versions of "clean".

My current favorite bit of "clean" is set to come out in a couple weeks.  It's made in Atlanta by a company called "NPNG".  I've been dicking around with the proto-type for more than a year and have to say that I've never experienced "clean" like this "clean"... it is a very "deep" sounding "clean"... a "clean" with size, a front, a back, a depth and a definite soul.

The Millennia specs better than anything I've ever heard about... my only problem is that I don't record specifications, I record music... so while there are many [MANY!] who seem to feel that the HV-3 is a great pre for their applications in "clean" world, I find the thing damn near useless as it brings nothing to the table to make my music more exciting.

As always, YMMV.

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2007, 10:52:59 AM »

The Millenia does test well on some tests on the Audio Precision, but other tests reveal what you are hearing. THD+noise is very low, around .0005% at low gains.

Run it into a FFT test and then you hear "the rest of the story".

Nothing like adding 11 orders of harmonics all looking like a picket fence rather than a 3rd and small 5th harmonic and nothing else. This is a result of the BurrBrown OPA604 opamp, one of the dirtiest modern opamps ever made for audio.

The only reason this part is used is that they will work (for a while as mentioned above) at + - 24 volts. This is the manufacturer's maximum rating which they don't recommend for reliability reasons. That amount of output is not needed in a world where analog tape saturates at +13 dbu and most converters zero out at +20 dbu. A small dip heatsink glued to the opamps may add to their lifetime as the dip package is limited in heat dissapation.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2007, 01:49:17 PM »

Fletcher wrote on Wed, 18 July 2007 04:18



In the amazing world of "clean" I have found the Millennia to be an amazingly boring version of the species... the GML, the Martech, the John Hardy all have more soul and depth.  There are even tube based units like the DW Fearn, the EAR, the Pendulum MDP-1 that are exciting and [dare I say] "sexier" versions of "clean".

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The Millennia specs better than anything I've ever heard about...



Sometimes my Millennia 4-banger sounds like a million bucks and other times it sounds like a dime. Sometimes it's like a view through a glassless window and other times it's like hearing why there is no glass in the window.

Contrast with my GV MP2-MH, which always sounds very good.

As for keen specs, the Gordon is killer, and it sounds as if the specs there actually mean something. For a super clean pre I personally won't bother looking elsewhere.

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2007, 04:47:25 PM »

Hank Alrich wrote on Wed, 18 July 2007 18:49



As for keen specs, the Gordon is killer, and it sounds as if the specs there actually mean something. For a super clean pre I personally won't bother looking elsewhere.


Is the Gordon another clean? Less boring like Fletcher states?
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2007, 12:49:21 PM »

Roland Storch wrote on Fri, 20 July 2007 13:47

Hank Alrich wrote on Wed, 18 July 2007 18:49



As for keen specs, the Gordon is killer, and it sounds as if the specs there actually mean something. For a super clean pre I personally won't bother looking elsewhere.


Is the Gordon another clean? Less boring like Fletcher states?


The Gordon is clean beyond my imagining (check the specs), and boring just doesn't have anything to do with the way it delivers sound.

I only need a few pre channels. I have the first-ever Great River MP2-MH, a Millennia HV3D 4-channel, and an early Phoenix GTQ2 that we're trying to get back to working to something in the neighborhood of spec. My pre lust list is now short: a GR MP2-NV and a pair of Gordons. (I could use another Evil Twin, too, but that's a different subject.)

Gordon info here:

http://www.gordonaudio.com/

I wish more folks knew about these pres. They're never going to be ubiquitous because Grant builds them himself and sells them direct. They'd cost too much more via distro and retail.

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2007, 08:29:18 PM »

Hank Alrich wrote on Sat, 21 July 2007 11:49

Roland Storch wrote on Fri, 20 July 2007 13:47

Hank Alrich wrote on Wed, 18 July 2007 18:49



As for keen specs, the Gordon is killer, and it sounds as if the specs there actually mean something. For a super clean pre I personally won't bother looking elsewhere.


Is the Gordon another clean? Less boring like Fletcher states?


The Gordon is clean beyond my imagining (check the specs), and boring just doesn't have anything to do with the way it delivers sound.

I only need a few pre channels. I have the first-ever Great River MP2-MH, a Millennia HV3D 4-channel, and an early Phoenix GTQ2 that we're trying to get back to working to something in the neighborhood of spec. My pre lust list is now short: a GR MP2-NV and a pair of Gordons. (I could use another Evil Twin, too, but that's a different subject.)

Gordon info here:

http://www.gordonaudio.com/

I wish more folks knew about these pres. They're never going to be ubiquitous because Grant builds them himself and sells them direct. They'd cost too much more via distro and retail.



i always check the specs before i use something errrr NOT

ears amazing things they are..use them often!

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2007, 01:26:08 AM »

Quote:

My current favorite bit of "clean" is set to come out in a couple weeks. It's made in Atlanta by a company called "NPNG". I've been dicking around with the proto-type for more than a year and have to say that I've never experienced "clean" like this "clean"... it is a very "deep" sounding "clean"... a "clean" with size, a front, a back, a depth and a definite soul.



besides Gil, you are the master of creating legends in 5 minutes Very Happy

thanx fletch, will check this unit out.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2007, 01:53:29 AM »

nice avatar.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2007, 02:27:19 PM »

ups..

sorry no offense man  Very Happy
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2007, 03:09:47 PM »

it's funny.
Don't change.
They are different.
Just noticing.
The basement in MARS uses it too.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2007, 03:46:59 PM »

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2007, 01:28:39 PM »

Jim Williams wrote on Mon, 16 July 2007 10:16

Then whip out that soldering iron and make some. Get those knockoff kits from Seventh Circle and save $$$. Pop in some MAT-02 front end transistors in place of the LM394's and use some decent opamps, (not the dirty OPA604).



Hi Jim,

I'm about a stone's throw away from building a bank of SCA c84s.

What replacement opamp do you recommend?

Thanks,

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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2007, 11:08:08 AM »

Try these:

LME49710
LM6171
OPA134
OPA211
OPA827
LT1357
THS4051
THS4601
THS4631
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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2007, 01:10:51 PM »

Great.  Thanks!
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2007, 08:41:31 PM »

bananahill wrote on Fri, 06 July 2007 21:10

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I've never understood the hype about these mic pres.
there are so many better options.

Pendulum MDP-1
Aphex 1100
DAV BG-1
Summit TPA 200B





We have 3 Aphex 1100's here... After getting the HV3D we never turn them on anymore.  In comparing them, I personally like the HV3 better.  Also, we've had (and still continue to have) problems with the 1100's.  For a while I was constantly bringing them back to their service center.  Finally we just said screw it and deal with the problems.  On all three, the trim pots are flaky and half the time they don't work.  On two of the three units one side crackles and we have to wiggle the gain knob to get it to stop... and then it start up again a little while later.  And because they get so hot, they constantly just stop working.  We send them in for repair... three days later we get them back and they work for about 6 months and then they stop working again... and so on... I think this is the longest time we've gone without repairing them... and that's only because we never turn them on anymore! LOL

So... to each his own.
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Re: Millennia Mic Pre's
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2007, 06:52:27 PM »

for what its worth, i had to do an overdub in a makeshift pro tools rig-set up thing inside a tracking room while the album was being mixed in the control room, i cant remember if the original was the focusrite console,and 4k g series or a 1073 pre(might have been an original 312), anyway different mike, different room straight into pt instead of tape, and the studio,o'henry(R.I.P.) hank, who had EVERYTHING had an origin that millenia had given him on permanent loan, anyway that flavor of clean made it very easy for me to almost perfectly blend the o/d with the original signal, that said the origin seemed balless solo'ed but very decent within the context of material.

anywhooo....
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2007, 04:12:58 PM »

I have been using Millennia pres for 11 or 12 years now. When I want clean, whether its a symphony orchestra or a solo instrument,
the Millennia is the first I reach for (and i have other options) and it never disappoints.

Unlike Fletcher, I do not find them the least bit boring. I find them to deliver an accurate (to my ears), clean, and dimension sound. I respect both Fletcher (who i've always found very approachable) and his opinions, however in this case I have to wonder if his opinion of the Millennia pres isn't "colored" by the "war of words" he and the Millennia owner had some years ago (and about which they both wrote a lot - some would say too much- about some years back.  
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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2007, 07:46:06 AM »

In my quest for a "straight wire" mike amp, I got an HV-3 and a Hardy 990 servo type. I sold the HV-3. It sounded great on some stuff but something about the high end bugged me: the Hardy sounded more natural to me.

I have yet to hear a GR MP-2MH, but am building a diy clone of one right now.
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« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2007, 11:06:24 PM »

Just did some vocals for a female artist using an M269 into a Millennia TD-1.
It sounded great.  Really great.
And considering the room rental came with one of the largest collections of gear in the world, that says a lot.


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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2007, 11:04:04 PM »

The 8 channel is particularly wonderful for remote recording. We get remarkable results in an easily transported package.  And, considering the quality of these channels, it is a bargain.

In short:

Affordable clarity and elegance.






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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2007, 12:05:44 AM »

I realise I'm digging up an old thread here but do any of you Millenia HV-3 owners have the DC input option (instead of the +130 option) which Millenia touts as being for dynamics/ribbons?

I got an email from Millenia briefly explaining it, but I wasn't really clear on what the option does to the pre and how it might affect it's other qualities.

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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2007, 01:57:13 AM »

I have the DC input option. It leaves out the DC blocking resistors so there's less circuitry in the path. I've gotten VERY clean sound and extended treble out of dynamic mics, and it's also good for plugging DI boxes into.
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2007, 02:33:58 PM »

I have that option on two of four channels and it works very well with ribbon mics. I don't bother to distinguish between the two types of inputs for ordinary dynamic mics.

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2007, 06:49:17 PM »

I own 8 channels of Millennia HV-3's and like them a lot.  There is a subtle 'something' about the top end, but it usually doesn't bother me.  They are from the 'straight wire with gain' school and they are really nice with orchestral film score-type recording--especially on strings.  They have a lot of gain, in 3 stages, with pots that are stepped in 1.5 dB steps.  For anyone interested, the sound of the [section] trumpets and trombones on Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band "The Phat Pack" (nominated for an engineering Grammy last year and engineered primarily by Tommy Vicari) is Royer 121's into the DC-coupled inputs of Millennia HV-3's.  

I also own 6 channels of Gordon Audio, again from the 'straight wire with gain' school.  I've been using the Gordons a lot lately, especially for vocals and orchestral room mics.  They don't have the top end 'thing' and they're really great: no transformer in the signal path and really excellent design and implementation, as far as I can tell.  And a ton of exceptionally quiet gain.  The only negative, and I mean the ONLY one for me is the stepped gain in 5 dB steps.  But this is certainly not unique to them (can you say Neve 1073?).  
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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2007, 10:49:52 PM »

So am I to understand, and I'm sorry this isn't getting into my thick head, that if the DC-coupled input option is ordered that it's not a toggle-button option like the +130v but rather a "hard-wired" option (for lack of a better term.)

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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2007, 12:35:38 AM »

yoink wrote on Wed, 05 December 2007 19:49

So am I to understand, and I'm sorry this isn't getting into my thick head, that if the DC-coupled input option is ordered that it's not a toggle-button option like the +130v but rather a "hard-wired" option (for lack of a better term.)

Thanks!



On the back panel, where the 130 v. inputs would be if one had that option installed, are another row of XLR inputs that route directly to the ribbon/DC path. So no switch but not eliminating the regular path.

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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2007, 08:25:42 AM »

Fenris Wulf. wrote on Tue, 04 December 2007 22:57

I have the DC input option. It leaves out the DC blocking resistors so there's less circuitry in the path.

Those would be capacitors.
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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2007, 03:59:23 PM »

maarvold wrote on Wed, 05 December 2007 15:49

 

I also own 6 channels of Gordon Audio, again from the 'straight wire with gain' school.


That's the best preamp I have ever used. I didn't think there could be that much more transparency not to be heard. Amazing boxes.

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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2007, 10:56:29 PM »

Thanks!
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