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[George_]

TomC

your mix rocks! I will send you my next project

missed the deadline    

[Tom C]

myNameIsGeorge wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 09:22

TomC your mix rocks! I will send you my next project missed the deadline

George, if you're referring to the link right above your posting that's not
mine, that's a recall J.Hall did, so you might better want to send
your next project to him.

Tom

PS: J., as soon as I have time to listen to your mix I'll post
some feedback.

[George_]

 http://www.tom-crowning.com/music/PSW/IMP11/IMP-011-TomC.mp3

this one?

very cool. I mean your mix is the only one that is worth listening to.. there are several problems, but it's a mix!

very cool. ITB?


the recall is too much compressed in my opinion.
http://www.thetarhythm.com/imp11/imp11JHallTomCRECALL.mp3

cheers

[chrisj]

I'm going to set up some permanent auxiliary speakers just to deal with my continuing shyness of agressive highs- I have some nice little garbage 8" drivers and a big space in my left console rack. It's mastering style so it's up where the knobs of a console would be, but it points thataway, not at the listening position. I've decided I'm gonna just build the speakers into a panel right there- it'll get vaguely okay bass even though it's not a sealed box, but with the speakers 8" and at least 45 degrees off axis, if there aren't enough highs even _I_ won't like it      

Still with the big titanium-diaphragm spherical horns for the REAL monitors- but I ought to be able to fix the creative-mix-decisions problem in time for next IMP. Basically the times people have been like 'yeah cool' are when I've used 'auratone' type reference, and I blew it when I didn't. I think for mixing I need to have the single-driver monitors.

[j.hall]

no comments on the recalls?

[Tom C]

myNameIsGeorge wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 13:57

http://www.tom-crowning.com/music/PSW/IMP11/IMP-011-TomC.mp3 this one? very cool. I mean your mix is the only one that is worth listening to.. there are several problems, but it's a mix!

George, thanks a lot for your nice words, I really appreciate this.

I have a little problem with the way you articulated this,
because every single one of the mixes is worth listening to, and
saying it ain't so shows IMO not the appropriate respect for the
people around here who invest some of their spare time to make
IMP happen.
I mean, there are mixes I don't like and there are mixes I like
better than my mix, but each one is worth the time to listen to
it.
And you can learn something from each one, that's why we're here.

After a look at your posting history I know English is not your
native language, so I assume it wasn't your intention to sound
that hard.

So, end of rant, now back to you  

Quote:

very cool. ITB?

Yes, completely ITB. Basically Steinberg Cubase and a couple of
(inexpensive) plug-ins.

Tom

[Tom C]

j.hall wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 17:37

no comments on the recalls?

Big kudos for the vocals, bringing them up more does not only fit
my personal taste better but also fills out that frequency hole
I mentioned much better, making the mix more dense.
And the BG vocals work better with the vocals now.

The kick/bass in the verses is good, but I'm not yet completely
happy with the chorus, it sounds like you had brought up the bass,
but didn't reduce the kick.
If the kick/bass ratio was something like 80/20 before, it's now
80/30 and I'd like to see it in the 70/30 range.
On my mixing monitors, this isn't much of an issue, but when I
listen to it on my mastering monitors (which are (more or less)
linear down from 30 Hz to whatever) it shows up that there's too
much low frequency information there now.

I'll post my comments to the recall of briefcasemanx's mix later,
I have to listen to both mixes again.

Thanks a lot for your time, it's mucho appreciated.

Tom

[Edit:] Oh, and I just noticed that the transients of the kick
got lost a bit, so if the loudness of the kick is reduced even
more it'll need most probably some EQ work to bring it back.

[j.hall]

the kick EQ and level are both different on the recall.

i brought the attack down, sculpted the low end some, and turned it down.

i did nothing to the bass other then turn it up.

[Tom C]

j.hall wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 17:37

no comments on the recalls?

Finally found some time to listen to the briefcasemanx recall.
From all three (original + the 2 recalls) I like this one most,
it sounds like the best parts of the original and my recall
nicely put together into one mix.
You did a bit more than just the changes briefcasemanx requested.

Tom

PS: common guys, J.Hall has some spare time to teach us things
and no one offers feedback.
And only 5 and a half people posted their feedback so far.
I know the weather is nice, it's spring and the skirts are getting
shorter, but when you had the time to mix this song there should
be time for a little feedback. Even the shortest feedback is better
than nothing...

[garret]

I like the tamed kick in the Tom C recall.  Feels more in balance with the rest of "the band."  And I think the high end is better in both recalls.

Otherwise, I'm not hearing a lot of changes.. just subtle improvements in each.  Which is good, but doesn't make for a thrilling discussion.

[j.hall]

Tom C wrote on Thu, 03 May 2007 13:07

You did a bit more than just the changes briefcasemanx requested.

i'm glad you brought it up......

what are you hearing?

the same is true for your recall, it's just less obvious.  

[Tom C]

j.hall wrote on Thu, 03 May 2007 20:45

Tom C wrote on Thu, 03 May 2007 13:07 You did a bit more than just the changes briefcasemanx requested. i'm glad you brought it up...... what are you hearing?

It's not easy to listen for the subtle changes and not get tricked by things one believes to hear. Damn psychoacoustics...

What I think I hear in briefcasemanx's recall:

1. kick has less transients and is a bit louder
2. a bit more bass, but not as much as in my recall
3. vocals have tad less reverb
4. stereo effects of the BG vocals are reduced, delay as well.Makes the vocals much tighter
5. after the (quiet) vocal part you added some EQ automation to the OH. Much better transition to the louder part IMO.

Tom

[j.hall]

you are really close.

bass is louder.  kick didn't change in level, just a touch of EQ.

snare drum is brighter.

all vocal notes are correct.

no EQ on overheads, it's a level thing.  a fade in on the OH and the snare.

the point is this, when you do a recall for a client, things they want done often times effect other areas of your mix.  you can't just run down their list and call it "good".  you have to keep listening to how the changes are impacting the entire mix.

with darker guitars the snare drum needed to be brighter to fill that gap back in.  as the kick and bass relationship shifted, the vocals needed more attention then briefcase originally asked for.

he asked for the fade in on the OH out of the bridge, but the snare was too loud and not properly blending with the OH fade.

little things here and there have to change as you make the client's changes.

seems obvious,  but i don't think a lot of people realize this, or do it.

good ears Tom!!

[briefcasemanx]

I liked the delay turned down at the start of the choruses. Didn't hear a big difference otherwise when I listened to it a couple days ago at school. I think the kick sounded a little different if I remember correctly. The guitars might have actually sounded better on your original version, yet on the original version they are even more white noisey. It's hard for me to give suggestions without being there with you though.

[chromatics]

Whoops, didn't realise the submissions forum was closed. I went ahead and uploaded my mix anyway.

http://www.prosoundweb.com/imp/files/imp11_chromatics.mp3

This is my first IMP as i only discovered the forum a couple of days ago!

I'm sure you've all heard the track a hundred times by now but if anyone wants to take a listen and maybe let me know what you think...i'd appreciate it.