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BW102

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DVD reference levels
« on: April 10, 2009, 10:20:43 AM »

Hi,

I have to master some audio for DVD (movie trailers) in both 5.1 and 2.0. Of course all files are going to be converted to AC3.

Now, the average reference level for DVD (AC3) is -20dBFS RMS (correct me if I'm wrong).

Now, what should I be looking for concidering the 5.1 audio levels...should the average level of all 6 channels be -20dBFS RMS? Or is this only concerning dialogue? And what meter (plugin) could I use to check the average level of all channels?

And finally: are there other things I should be thinking of regarding levels?

Mastering 5.1 movie-audio is quite new for me!
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Dave Davis

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Re: DVD reference levels
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2009, 12:13:45 PM »

I wish there were an easy answer for you.  I really do.  But there is not.

Audio reference levels for DVDs are very tied to venue:
Movies for broadcast delivered on DVD are indeed -20 dBFS.
For DVD it's probably creeping closer to -14 or worse (twice as loud average level).
For trailers, it's quite common to approach 90's CD levels (K12 or worse).

The reference is imaginary in practice.  In general, THX guidelines are a good starting place for your listening levels - start there, and listen to/measure some competitive products.  There really is no alternative if you expect easy approval from client.  If you anticipate lots of back and forth (common with ad agencies) I suppose you could play around with it and see what happens (ie use your best judgment).

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Waltz Mastering

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Re: DVD reference levels
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2009, 12:37:15 PM »

a related question.

If you are mastering for 5.1 (audio only)
No video involved, can those levels be consistent
with the 2.0 cd levels?  say  -15 to -11 rms ?

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Re: DVD reference levels
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2009, 02:45:51 PM »

Thanks Dave, I guess I'll just have to compare my audio to some movies on DVD as you suggest...

You say: 'Movies for broadcast delivered on DVD are indeed -20 dBFS.'

Does this mean an average level of -20dBFS or a dialogue (center channel) level of -20 dBFS and the music/fx wrapped around that on the rest of the channels?
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Re: DVD reference levels
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2009, 12:54:53 PM »

Dave Davis wrote on Fri, 10 April 2009 11:13


Movies for broadcast delivered on DVD are indeed -20 dBFS.
For DVD it's probably creeping closer to -14 or worse (twice as loud average level).
For trailers, it's quite common to approach 90's CD levels (K12 or worse).
This is not correct.

In the states, a movie is mixed in a calibrated room where -20dBFS Steady State Pink = 85dBC across the front, 91-2 dBC (technically +10dB of in-band gain above the fronts) from the Sub and 82 dBC from the surrounds.

From there, it all by ear (with maybe some nudging by the director).

In EBU countries the reference is -18dBFS and corresponds to electrical level of 0dBu
    http://www.ebu.ch/CMSimages/en/tec_text_r68-2000_tcm6-4669.p df

A Theatrical Screened Trailer, in Holland, in Europe, in the States MUST conform to a loudness not exceeding 85 dB Leq(m).

If the movie goes to broadcast, it will be subject to the deliverable specifications of the Network.  It may mean that some peaks have to come down, and some average level may have to come up.

A few things not left up to the imagination.

When it goes to DVD, there are no RULES, there is no calibrated playback venue. Except, calibration changes to be equal values all around. SOME movies and trailers are simply transferred.  MANY are "remixed" by a DVD house that specializes in this sort of thing.  (Mi Casa and POP come to mind).  They often end up louder.

I would align your room so -18dBFS pink = 79 SPL (C weighted slow) all the way around,, no +10 on the SUB.  Then I would master it by ear.  I would also check it WITH BASS MANAGEMENT as just about every one at home has a bass managed system.  The reason for 79 is you are not in a theatrical sized room.  But I would master it LOUD.  But I won't give you an RMS. Don't be afraid -.03dBFS  Just make them sound good (and kinda loud).

Music and concert DVD's are often mastered to sound good and use the full scale.


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Re: DVD reference levels
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 06:26:31 AM »

minister,

Thanks a lot for your reply! Really helpful  Smile
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Re: DVD reference levels
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 04:51:34 PM »

Tom, that's one of the best "how-to's" on movie speaker and mix setup I've seen. Simple, direct and loaded with useful info.
From all of us who've ever found ourselves a little in the woods with this, thanks.
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Re: DVD reference levels
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2009, 06:37:30 PM »

You're welcome.

Obviously, more to it than that, but that should get you on your way.

Most people listen to TV around 70-72dB SPL.

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Re: DVD reference levels
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 07:06:12 AM »

minister wrote on Sat, 18 April 2009 17:37

You're welcome.

Obviously, more to it than that, but that should get you on your way.

Most people listen to TV around 70-72dB SPL.




It certainly did! I've been doing a lot of research with your info as a starting point. Very useful!!
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