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[Die BREMSSPUR]

Han S. wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 01:45

I own a H112 and I was lucky to buy it from an old man who couldnt'play at all. He had this Hammond because he wanted to own a Hammond. So he had put a small dot with a marker on every C key in order to be able to at least play a C cord. So this organ was as good as new, which is very rare these days. I can assure you that the H100 sounds nearly as good as the B3/C3/A100, but Hammonds are like guitars, some sound better than others. If you wanna buy a Hammond tonewheel organ, bring a specialist with you, cause when the organ needs an overhaul you're in trouble. The most popular and most expensive Leslie is the 122, which is different from the 147. The 122 has an extra tube. There's nothing that sounds like a genuine tone wheel organ, it behaves like an oilstain within the mix and it makes people horny.

Thank you.  This is what I heard from the salesman.  I told him the only way I wouldn't buy it is if the folks on the forum totally refuted what he told me.

[Die BREMSSPUR]

Shorty's Got A Mule wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 01:59

I'll add that for some 'clients' it's not going to matter how much your "organ" sounds like a "B3", it's not. I've seen doofusses of the Highest American Order scoff at a C3 because it's one letter shy of a B3, but certainly closer to Jesus. Pengooins are just like chickens. Anyway, neither the B3, the C3 nor the H1xx will get the sounds my Hammond Model D gets with the dual tonewheels creatign chorus of the highest magnitude and driving a PR40 with that darker then the blackest of nights oil can reverb. And yes Mildred, if you kick a cow hard enough in the udder, milk will spurt from it's ass.

You are my new hero!

Of course because my goal is to record music, and who the fukk am I to say what's music anyway, I will revel in not having customers that scoff at shit without hearing or trying it.

And if the shit works out, I can buy a B3 carcass somewhere....

What exactly are dual tonewheels?

What is a PR40?

Can I create some mischeif with two leslies?

thank you so much...

BTW, first I have to pay for some compressors from a certain little audio company we know about....

But then, PICS!

You guys rock, thanx again...

tik

[Joe Black]

Hero is a euphemism for hate?



The Model D has two tone wheels insead of one. Each tone wheel produces a differnet pitch. The drawbar on the upper right of the top register turns the chorus on or off. The little wooden cylinder thingy at the upper left of the top register controls the amount delay between the pitches.



The PR40 is a Hammond Tone Cabinet - essentially a 40 watt amp section with 2-15's's on the bottom and a 12 pointing up. Oil can reverb is just like it sounds - a can filled with oil and a wired spring run through it, the PR40 has three reverb selections - 1 - light, 2 - dark, 3- your dead and in hell.  You can see on the front of this PR40 where some idiot turned it on it's side and the oil ran out and onto the grill. Overall organ is quite dark and spooky in a tingly kind of way. I always imagined Oliver Messiaen would sound good on a D. The D has a weird preamp section, so you can't drive a more modern Leslie with it, though it will work with those really cool looking tall Leslies. There is absolutely nothing that sounds like a D run through a Tone Cabinet.

[Die BREMSSPUR]

That thing looks fukken wicked as hell...


re:hate

What's a euphemism?

Brough,

As your venacular belies passion and zest, I would gladly give you any hate you require to further your groove or just to make your day while fukken around at the shop....

I would earnestly induce scorn and discontentment if there was the slightest chance I could assist in any and all acts of brillance you carry out daily. Although I am sure you are quite capable without the incompetent, lame shit I could come up with....

I am at your command...

thank you...

You bastard...

tik

[Joe Black]

Most welcome, but unnecessary. My shop today is 12"'s of Ohio Valley clay mixed with my own concockshun of fresh horse shit, household compost, last falls leaves, mexican and indonesian bat guano, urine and the local landfills sorry excuse for compost, though it's chemical conent is most impressive, it's just a bit, um, chunky. High boots and a pitchfork required. Cook for a week, turnover and plant.

I love the earth.

[Die BREMSSPUR]

Shorty's Got A Mule wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 19:36

Most welcome, but unnecessary. My shop today is 12"'s of Ohio Valley clay mixed with my own concockshun of fresh horse shit, household compost, last falls leaves, mexican and indonesian bat guano, urine and the local landfills sorry excuse for compost, though it's chemical conent is most impressive, it's just a bit, um, chunky. High boots and a pitchfork required. Cook for a week, turnover and plant. I love the earth.

WAIT TIL I TELL THE DUMB GERMANS!

[Greg Dixon]

Here's my baby.

[Greg Dixon]

and here's what a 122 looks like as furniture.....

[Die BREMSSPUR]

Greg Dixon wrote on Sun, 25 March 2007 00:28

and here's what a 122 looks like as furniture.....

Is there a way to see what it looks like on the inside?

BTW...it looks great...

[Greg Dixon]

Yes.

So it's all the same components as the 122, just side by side, instead of the treble rotor being above the bass rotor.

[Greg Dixon]

I assume it produces more low end than the 122, as the 15" driver is in a bigger enclosure. I rarely feel the need for a mic near the low rotor.

[Die BREMSSPUR]

Sorry,

I am slow...

These pics are not those of the "122 as furniture"?

They are of yet another Leslie.

Since the 122 has three panels, are there three things going on there?

lemme nough

tik

[Greg Dixon]

It's the same Leslie. The pictures are just of the bottom third. The panel you can see above the opening, covers 2/3rds of the back. Those front panels are just ornamental. The top third is completely closed. The vents are only where the rotors are.

[Barkley McKay]

Hi Tik,

this website is a great resource:

http://www.captain-foldback.com/

hope it helps in your quest.

Barks


M100, Leslie 145....

[AO-28]

Hammond and Leslie history is extremely confusing but there are some very common misconceptions but these are a couple of facts for example - the B3 and C3 are electrically and mechanically identical except for the style of their wooden cabinets.

The 122 and 147 Leslies are identical except for their amplifiers - and are totally incompatable with each other! - the 147 was designed for single ended organs and contains a preamp tube - the 122 is designed for the balanced output, high output console Hammonds (B3,C3,RT-3 etc.) so it has a balanced input which goes straight into the phase inverter - hence the missing preamp tube...

While it's true there are a lot of Hammond/Leslie snobs out there (I'm probably one) there are genres of music where only B3/C3 and 122 will do - not that we come across these genres much but the jazz Hammond trio type of format only works with the original B3/122 because of the intricacies of the percussion, vibrato and preamp circuits as well as the "harmonic foldback" and 91 frequency tone generator...

For most music though (rock or pop where the Hammond is not the lead instrument) most Hammonds will do - the elements of the Hammond sound (by which we really mean the B3/122 sound) are really these 1; a tube Leslie - preferably full size with 15" woofer 2; a mechanical (tonewheel) tone generator 3; tube amplification in the Hammond 3; "scanner" vibrato 4; tube percussion circuit. If you have some of those things - especially the earliest in the list - they basically will all have the "Hammond sound".

If the Hammond is required as a background instruments only I highly recommend an L-100 series Hammond and 147 Leslie because the L-100 doesn't take up too much space, has percussion and is tube amplified and the 147 can be easily modified to accept guitars or vocals or whatever - and you'll get most of the Hammond sound for only a couple of hundred bucks - I've picked up two working L-100's for free - I don't use them since I got my C3 though...

I don't mean to sound evangelistic but I'm a Hammond player, recordist and Hammond tech - and I just love the machines! I have five of them.