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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2008, 06:58:58 pm »

No mastering engineer should have to de-esss anything.
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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2008, 07:21:23 pm »

no child should also go hungry, but hey, it's not a perfect world.

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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #107 on: July 23, 2008, 08:06:58 pm »

lowland wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 00:34

bluecouchstudios wrote on Tue, 22 July 2008 14:19

Massey's deesser is now available.  http://www.masseyplugins.com/?page=deesser




The S-less description made me smile Smile


"Hate S's with a fiery paion!"
Sounds like it employs some mean subatomic particle...
A tpyo in their plug's title catchphrase may not bode well for their code, at least initially. But I'm sure most would agree re treading lightly, transparently, rather than needing to inject a fiery anything.
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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #108 on: July 23, 2008, 08:26:16 pm »

dguidry wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 17:58

No mastering engineer should have to de-esss anything.


And no car should really need seatbelts...

A growing part of mastering is fixing things captured by cheap microphones that aren't noticed on cheap speakers. Essey mixes reaching the mastering stage are often a result of both.

At some point, one's talent is only as good as one's ability to hear what's happening.


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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #109 on: July 23, 2008, 09:29:58 pm »

Adam Dempsey wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 19:06


"Hate S's with a fiery paion!"
Sounds like it employs some mean subatomic particle...
A tpyo in their plug's title catchphrase may not bode well for their code, at least initially. But I'm sure most would agree re treading lightly, transparently, rather than needing to inject a fiery anything.


The S's are removed because it's a deesser plug-in. It's not a typo.  Get it?  I thought it was pretty clever.  This plug-in is as transparent as it gets outside of a DS1 IMO.  I've tried all the others and they all do ok, but I think Massey nailed it.
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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #110 on: July 23, 2008, 09:35:18 pm »

Damn. Of course. Hey that's even my sense of humour and I missed it.

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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #111 on: July 23, 2008, 09:42:24 pm »

bluecouchstudios wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 02:29

Adam Dempsey wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 19:06


"Hate S's with a fiery paion!"
Sounds like it employs some mean subatomic particle...
A tpyo in their plug's title catchphrase may not bode well for their code, at least initially. But I'm sure most would agree re treading lightly, transparently, rather than needing to inject a fiery anything.


The S's are removed because it's a deesser plug-in. It's not a typo.  Get it?  I thought it was pretty clever.  This plug-in is as transparent as it gets outside of a DS1 IMO.  I've tried all the others and they all do ok, but I think Massey nailed it.



Sounds promising indeed.

Say, have you compared it to the Eiosis ES Deesser?
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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2008, 10:35:48 pm »

Tomas Danko wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 20:42

bluecouchstudios wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 02:29



The S's are removed because it's a deesser plug-in. It's not a typo.  Get it?  I thought it was pretty clever.  This plug-in is as transparent as it gets outside of a DS1 IMO.  I've tried all the others and they all do ok, but I think Massey nailed it.



Sounds promising indeed.

Say, have you compared it to the Eiosis ES Deesser?


Yes, actually.  I thought it sounded pretty good, though it was difficult to figure out at times. When I demo'd it, I was using AVOX SYBIL most of the time and ended up sticking with SYBIL because it sounded a hair more transparent to me and was 100X easier to tweak.  

However, I think Massey's Deesser is even easier to tweak with the null listen mode and sounds even better than SYBIL.  I was really surprised how well it grabbed S's off a vocal in a master without me going into MS processing.  I've also used it on a spoken word and it also tackles that pretty well.

I'm pretty happy with the Massey plug-in at this point and I think the next step is a Weiss DS1 (which is in the queue behind new monitors and a new compressor at this point).
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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #113 on: July 23, 2008, 10:39:17 pm »

dguidry wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 18:58

No mastering engineer should have to de-esss anything.


When mastering studios were a tape machine a lathe and a level control the only mandatory piece of processing was a de esser. An EQ was less important.
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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #114 on: July 24, 2008, 11:16:46 am »

bluecouchstudios wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 12:35


Yes, actually.  I thought it sounded pretty good, though it was difficult to figure out at times. When I demo'd it, I was using AVOX SYBIL most of the time and ended up sticking with SYBIL because it sounded a hair more transparent to me and was 100X easier to tweak.  

However, I think Massey's Deesser is even easier to tweak with the null listen mode and sounds even better than SYBIL.  I was really surprised how well it grabbed S's off a vocal in a master without me going into MS processing.  I've also used it on a spoken word and it also tackles that pretty well.

I'm pretty happy with the Massey plug-in at this point and I think the next step is a Weiss DS1 (which is in the queue behind new monitors and a new compressor at this point).



If you think the Eiosis is complex to tweak wait until you see the Weiss DS-1 with Mk3 software. My first time in front of the DS-1 was frightening, all those different release knobs & now with dual mono, scalable RMS or Peak detection & M-S thrown in for good measure it's capable of some amazing tricks once you learn it's intricacies.

Regarding the Massey, I wouldn't use it in it's current state, the delay is there even with band split mode & to me it was a deal breaker. In fact I'd prefer the standard Waves De-Esser over the Massey. I haven't tried the Eiosis but a friend whose ears I trust said it was amazing. Compared to everything I've tried the Weiss DS-1 is in another league altogether.

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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #115 on: July 26, 2008, 01:57:23 am »

dguidry wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 17:58

No mastering engineer should have to de-esss anything.

What else am I going to use L3-16 for?



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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #116 on: July 28, 2008, 01:43:04 am »

this seems to be an old  but useful thread and i seem to be a little confused.

i have been chasing sibalance down  for all of my adult working life and the solution i have come to is the same as when we cut vinyl  and rode the acceleration limiter on every word.
for a sibilent track i just  go in on sadie and cut  the front every offending s.p or t  down by between 1-4 db - no eq  just level
it works a treat every time takes about 3-4 mins a track , and sounds normal
which is something i have never heard a desser do

why isn't everybody doing this ?

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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #117 on: July 28, 2008, 09:18:27 am »

Rick O'neil wrote on Mon, 28 July 2008 15:43

for a sibilent track i just  go in on sadie and cut  the front every offending s.p or t  down by between 1-4 db - no eq  just level
it works a treat every time takes about 3-4 mins a track , and sounds normal
which is something i have never heard a desser do

why isn't everybody doing this ?


What about hi-hats or cymbals? Sometimes a track has way too much sibilance or bursts of HF content throughout to warrant the time to manually automate it. Trust me Rick with the DS-1 Mk3 you just set the threshold & forget about it.

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Re: Mastering De-Esser?
« Reply #118 on: July 28, 2008, 10:31:32 am »



really..?
i must have a different definition of sibilance  .. i was kinda  only thinking about vocals
perhaps i am a just a sucker for hard work ...?
umm ... nah  i never be accused of that Smile

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